Thanos vs Superman/Silver Surfer/Thor/Gladiator

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
What exactly are you basing this on? I hope it's not solely on the "I have to save the universe by lifting 'this' feats" that Supes has to do.

Exactly those feats. Take for example lifting the Monitor book, which was said to have infinite pages. Lifting the book was described as a feat the Superman and the World's mightiest mortal were meant for. Is it hyperbole to a degree? Certainly, but it just goes to show that with Superman, there's no such thing as "Impossible" with regards to strength.

More than that is his powerset, his base strength increases every day he's exposed to a non-red star. Hard to see Thanos being stronger tbh. More durable and versatile certainly, but I think people forget how strong Supes is even in relation to beings above his level.

You also have to remember his strength is largely psionic, mind over matter.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Yes, but why does tech and magic make it different? I've seen Odin hand out magical hammers before and you get Thor's power/strength so why does magic and tech make it impossible now for him to have equal strength to Thanos?

I know this wasn't proven but I am simply attacking your ridiculous logic here.

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Originally posted by quanchi112
What better energy durability feats do you have in mind?

He's absorbed blasts capable of destroying star system from Mageddon. The explosion of the Sun Eater. He's also taken various disintergration beams from planet busting energy canons.

Originally posted by Allankles
Exactly those feats. Take for example lifting the Monitor book, which was said to have infinite pages. Lifting the book was described as a feat the Superman and the World's mightiest mortal were meant for. Is it hyperbole to a degree? Certainly, but it just goes to show that with Superman, there's no such thing as "Impossible" with regards to strength.

More than that is his powerset, his base strength increases every day he's exposed to a non-red star. Hard to see Thanos being stronger tbh. More durable and versatile certainly, but I think people forget how strong Supes is even in relation to beings above his level.

You also have to remember his strength is largely psionic, mind over matter.

Valid points Allan and I do agree to a degree. The things you listed are THE reason why I place Superman above all in the herald category when it comes to strength. Sure some might be close i.e. Thor, Glads etc... However, IMO Supes is that Dynamic. However, I also realize that such a comparison has to take various factors into account. If you compare him to another hero i.e. hulk or Thor.. they have comparable feats and thus why they are close. You can make a fair comparison because as a hero they HAVE TO do these things for the sake of the comic. However, with villians such as Thanos and DS.. you can't really make that same kinda of comparison. They won't have such lifting feats to compare.

My point is... you would agree that thanos can't and won't have said feats as a villian right? However, what he does have is the WTF pwning of said strong men with the greatest of ease or pimp slap. That speaks towards Thanos strength not listing some hyperbolic lifting feat to save the universe. If I saw hulk or Thor stalemate Thanos over and over again with their strength and them being comparable with Supes I would grant you strength. Yet, what we see Allan are those comparable people dismissed with ease. Doesn't that put Thanos's bar higher than superman?That is the only way we can measure his strength. Don't get me wrong as I said... supes is dynamic and imo the strongest herald and stronger than some trans. However, imo Thanos has always been shown to be that much better than any herald in terms of strength, power, intelligence etc etc. That is just what is nature is.. just as it's supes nature to save the universe for the sake of the comic and universe. However, when matched against other heralds his strength gap isn't imo near what Thanos's is to other heralds by what we have seen on panel. Sure he can life 10000000000000 earths at once to save the universe. Yet when matched against other heralds... not so much and pretty close. Thanos....laugh and mocks their strength.

^I think it's Thanos durability that negates the strength of his opponents, to some degree, and the amp of his punches (+ his class 100 strength) is what gives him the edge in direct combat.
It's not unlikely that beings like the Hulk or Gladiator are stronger then Thanos, maybe even twice as strong or even more, though if he hits them with an amped punch it would do more damage and he can surely tank their punches better.

Superman would win in a direct slugfest (without amped punches), lose in a all out slugfest (amped Thanos fists) and get some good wins if he would use his superior speed to it's best. IMO

Originally posted by Allankles
That was CIS, not PIS. Masterson doesn't need anything except his own power to defeat Glads. What part of that don't you get? The fact that Glads got the better of him earlier is irrelevant, that's just how the fight was written, but there's no question Thor can stop him, and did.

Again I've seen the fight. How else would I mention it? Unlike you I don't argue on heresay. You claim to know Supes yet the best you can do in terms of his speed feats is chasing after bullets. You clearly don't know much about the character.

Glads was burning Hulk with his HV, before Hulk closed the distance and ended the fight. The point I was making to the other poster (you should follow the argument before jumping in) was that Hulk tanked his HV, with his own power, with his own strength.

It's not a plot device when the character is using his own strength. Hulk also produces Gamma radiation by himself so again, it's not a plot device with Hulk since that's his power too. Although yes, weaknesses are a plot device, but not here with the Hulk scenario.

How does any of that top Superman's combat feats? Nova corps, are you serious? Supreme isn't Supes, you forget Glads is a Supes clone too. Phoenix? What's the context? And if you're talking about it's human host, you've got to be kiding.

The rest of your post is kind of hopeless, you're listing almost all of Glads feats, and they don't scratch the surface of what Supes has accomplished. If you're smart you'd know not to go into a direct combat feat comparison. Glads would lose handily.

Masterson got ripped up through the entire fight, the only time he actually did something was with the plot device so again, bringing up the fight is pointless since that fight proved that Gladiator>>Masterson Thor.

Again, since gladiator weakness was used during the hulk fight, its pointless. And lets not even bring up bricks that doesnt even have Hulk strength feats taking it to Superman.

Of course Gladiator wont have as many high showings as Supes, he doesnt star in 3 comics a month but he also dont have all of Supes low showing either, LIIIIIIIIIKE, it taking every last kryptonian to move a moon. 😕

Again, going by feats, Glads physically>>Superman physically and its sad that you dont know anything about Supreme.

Originally posted by Spire
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Originally posted by Allankles
He's absorbed blasts capable of destroying star system from Mageddon. The explosion of the Sun Eater. He's also taken various disintergration beams from planet busting energy canons.

Yeah, Thanos is a lot more durable than your hyped Superman is.

Originally posted by Batman-Prime
^I think it's Thanos durability that negates the strength of his opponents, to some degree, and the amp of his punches (+ his class 100 strength) is what gives him the edge in direct combat.
It's not unlikely that beings like the Hulk or Gladiator are stronger then Thanos, maybe even twice as strong or even more, though if he hits them with an amped punch it would do more damage and he can surely tank their punches better.

Superman would win in a direct slugfest (without amped punches), lose in a all out slugfest (amped Thanos fists) and get some good wins if he would use his superior speed to it's best. IMO

Thanos has easily overpowered the Hulk and the Thing simultaneously. He's also beaten the Surfer to death and very quickly.

Carver9, Moon, Kryptonians, out of context.
Superman > Glads, physically.

Quan, Bias, "low feats" (not even SBP a fellow Superman). Allankles was right in every point.
Personal insults won't help you case, amped punches aren't strength alone. Hulk or Glads should very well be over Thanos in raw strength.

SS is q 90lbs weakling against Thanos. Bringing in 3 extra 90lb weaklings myt help a little bit.

But I doubt it. Thanos 8/10.

Originally posted by quanchi112

So did various other characters in a wave survive three star system destroying blasts.

So? Are we talking about those characters? And the Mageddon Warhead was different from surviving the collateral from Big G's attack. The difference was Supes alone absorbed the impact. Quite different from suriving collateral from the oscillation of Big G's blast.

Originally posted by BUSTER BLADER!!
Yes it is... Surprised me also when Marvel printed it in a comicbook that everyone can see.

really? scan showing this direct quote?

and i swear i thought you were clowning. you don't mean to say you actually . . . BELIEVE that gladiator is 4x stronger than thanos, do you?

Originally posted by leonidas
and i swear i thought you were clowning. you don't mean to say you actually . . . [b]BELIEVE that gladiator is 4x stronger than thanos, do you? [/B]

never underestimate the power of stupidity

Originally posted by Batman-Prime
Carver9, Moon, Kryptonians, out of context.
Superman > Glads, physically.

Quan, Bias, "low feats" (not even SBP a fellow Superman). Allankles was right in every point.
Personal insults won't help you case, amped punches aren't strength alone. Hulk or Glads should very well be over Thanos in raw strength.

Its not out of context since the gems wasnt activated when the kryptonians was moving the moon back into orbit. I'm not talking about the time when the moon was coming at them at high speed, I'm talking about when the moon wasnt even moving and they had to move it back into orbit.

Physically, Glads>>Superman.

You want Allankles to be right because he's debating for your character when all in all, Allankles tends to never know what he is talking about, even with his favorite character, Darkseid.

If Glads is over Thanos strength wise then that would make his strength>>>Superman (even though it really is that much higher).

Originally posted by Allankles
So? Are we talking about those characters? And the Mageddon Warhead was different from surviving the collateral from Big G's attack. The difference was Supes alone absorbed the impact. Quite different from suriving collateral from the oscillation of Big G's blast.

Its within his power to absorb that TYPE of energy. Not an impressive feat if you actually knew the type of energy he was absorbing.

Thats like being impressed over Surfer absorbing the power cosmic. 😕

Originally posted by Batman-Prime
Carver9, Moon, Kryptonians, out of context.
Superman > Glads, physically.

Quan, Bias, "low feats" (not even SBP a fellow Superman). Allankles was right in every point.
Personal insults won't help you case, amped punches aren't strength alone. Hulk or Glads should very well be over Thanos in raw strength.

Thanos laughed off Odin's first blast which one shotted the Surfer. Odin can oneshot Superman as well imo.

Thanos has mocked the Hulk's strength before while overpowering him and the Thing. You suggesting the Hulk is stronger when a direct confrontation has shown the exact opposite is showing a bias on your part along with ignorance.

You simply don't know any better. Thor's always been an equal to Gladiator in terms of strength so saying Gladiator is stronger than Thanos is is completely off and laughs in the face of continuity as well.

You don't know any better.

Originally posted by Allankles
So? Are we talking about those characters? And the Mageddon Warhead was different from surviving the collateral from Big G's attack. The difference was Supes alone absorbed the impact. Quite different from suriving collateral from the oscillation of Big G's blast.

Odin can oneshot Superman. He can't oneshot Thanos. I just one this debate.

Superman beat Prime and took his blows without effect prior to the red sun bath.

Odins blast would oneshot Superman because of their magical nature. And even then it's doubful. If they were not magical in nature, Superman would tank them pretty good.

Savage Hulk or Prof Hulk? Ignorant, yeah right.

I should know better then argue with you in an Thanos thread, my bad.

Originally posted by Batman-Prime
Superman beat Prime and took his blows without effect prior to the red sun bath.

Odins blast would oneshot Superman because of their magical nature. And even then it's doubful. If they were not magical in nature, Superman would tank them pretty good.

Savage Hulk or Prof Hulk? Ignorant, yeah right.

I should know better then argue with you in an Thanos thread, my bad.

Superman tanking odins blast even if it wasnt magical in nature? No.

Originally posted by Batman-Prime
Superman beat Prime and took his blows without effect prior to the red sun bath.

Odins blast would oneshot Superman because of their magical nature. And even then it's doubful. If they were not magical in nature, Superman would tank them pretty good.

Savage Hulk or Prof Hulk? Ignorant, yeah right.

I should know better then argue with you in an Thanos thread, my bad.

It would oneshot Superman or two shot him at best based on the Surfer blast. Thanos took repeated blasts showing his energy durability is leaps and bounds better than Superman's.

If you have any proof otherwise then feel free to post it.

Saying Hulk is stronger than Thanos without proving it is a baseless claim.

Prime easily blew threw Superman's hand. Not going to happen against Thanos.

^He tooks SBP punches pretty fine before the last fight.

It wouldn't.

Answer, savage Hulk or Professor Hulk?

Prime would destroy Thanos.

Originally posted by carver9
Superman tanking odins blast even if it wasnt magical in nature? No.

If Thor can do it so can Superman. BTW he has the feats, you know it, it's not the first thread about Supes durability.

Originally posted by carver9
Superman tanking odins blast even if it wasnt magical in nature? No.