Truth be told, Gladiator should probably not be used in forum fights, since his powerset isn't particularly compatible with the guidelines -- if we assume that he starts a fight at optimal ability (i.e. full confidence), then we also have to grant him a privilege that no other character, so far as I know, gets in a forum-fight: namely, the ability to take into account ONLY his top-feats. It seems that people who take this stance, like Carver, rightly see Gladiator as somewhere above most versions of superman, since his top feats (killing a pheonix, flying through stars, effortlessly taking down Vulcan, breaking Hyperion's spine, breaking a planet, containing a supernova point blank, etc, etc) don't have to be off-set by a single one of his many, many low-end showings. Naturally, if we applied the same standards to Gladiator as we do to other characters and take his low-end feats into account, it is obvious that he WOULD get taken out first. Similarly, because of his powerset, I don't think we can necessarily assume that any particular losses are due to PIS/CIS, or, conversely, that he was at optimal fighting condition in any of the battles he loses (this is sometimes assumed for the Hulk fight) -- we can only assume that, at full confidence, he possesses all of the strength, speed, skill and durability that he has displayed in his very best feats.
The debate over the exact level of Gladiator's strength from the Thanosi is a red-herring; what is relevant is whether we want to operate under the assumption of "optimal fighting condition" or apply the same standard of balancing high and low feats for gladiator. My own feeling is that he should be left out of forum fights, or that we should adopt the latter stance, since the former seems to give him an unfair advantage.
Finally, regarding the debate of Thanos vs this team, the real problem the team faces is Thanos' durability. No one on this team have damage outputs even approaching Odin or DP Tyrant, to cite the two people most famous for putting the hurt on Thanos (Quan, please resist the urge to respond to this statement), nor do they have the durability to resist Thanos' attacks for very long (h1a8, please resist the urge to respond to this statement); however, they are all really, really fast, and three of them have levels of physical strength that are probably at least comparable to Thanos. If Thanos doesn't get Glads with an instant radiation kill, then I could see Glads, Supes, and Surfer (admittedly, not as well-muscled as his team-members) wrestling Thanos down long enough for Thor to use the god-blast. However, if the four just try to rush Thanos without a real plan, he will eventually destroy them after an AWESOME slug-fest that will leave his costume heavily damaged. Given the personalities on the team, I think the latter scenario is more likely.
Thanos 6.5/10
Originally posted by SimbonNice statement.. But if we take the four characters and use their lowest showings... Then surfer goes out first because he got put in an armbar by somebody weaker than Captain America.... Followed by superman who struggled with the daily globe... followed by thor who got koed by the wrecker... followed by gladiator getting blasted by a laser gun... Supes, thor and surfer have far more low showings than gladiator due the fact that you see them in 95% of the comics and only see gladiator in 5%.
Truth be told, Gladiator should probably not be used in forum fights, since his powerset isn't particularly compatible with the guidelines -- if we assume that he starts a fight at optimal ability (i.e. full confidence), then we also have to grant him a privilege that no other character, so far as I know, gets in a forum-fight: namely, the ability to take into account ONLY his top-feats. It seems that people who take this stance, like Carver, rightly see Gladiator as somewhere above most versions of superman, since his top feats (killing a pheonix, flying through stars, effortlessly taking down Vulcan, breaking Hyperion's spine, breaking a planet, containing a supernova point blank, etc, etc) don't have to be off-set by a single one of his many, many low-end showings. Naturally, if we applied the same standards to Gladiator as we do to other characters and take his low-end feats into account, it is obvious that he WOULD get taken out first. Similarly, because of his powerset, I don't think we can necessarily assume that any particular losses are due to PIS/CIS, or, conversely, that he was at optimal fighting condition in any of the battles he loses (this is sometimes assumed for the Hulk fight) -- we can only assume that, at full confidence, he possesses all of the strength, speed, skill and durability that he has displayed in his very best feats.The debate over the exact level of Gladiator's strength from the Thanosi is a red-herring; what is relevant is whether we want to operate under the assumption of "optimal fighting condition" or apply the same standard of balancing high and low feats for gladiator. My own feeling is that he should be left out of forum fights, or that we should adopt the latter stance, since the former seems to give him an unfair advantage.
Finally, regarding the debate of Thanos vs this team, the real problem the team faces is Thanos' durability. No one on this team have damage outputs even approaching Odin or DP Tyrant, to cite the two people most famous for putting the hurt on Thanos (Quan, please resist the urge to respond to this statement), nor do they have the durability to resist Thanos' attacks for very long (h1a8, please resist the urge to respond to this statement); however, they are all really, really fast, and three of them have levels of physical strength that are probably at least comparable to Thanos. If Thanos doesn't get Glads with an instant radiation kill, then I could see Glads, Supes, and Surfer (admittedly, not as well-muscled as his team-members) wrestling Thanos down long enough for Thor to use the god-blast. However, if the four just try to rush Thanos without a real plan, he will eventually destroy them after an AWESOME slug-fest that will leave his costume heavily damaged. Given the personalities on the team, I think the latter scenario is more likely.
Thanos 6.5/10
Originally posted by h1a8Give me two examples.
Superman beats Thanos solo by the combo to ko
Originally posted by SpireI don't have to. I responded and laughed at his logic. You posted scans while doodling on them showing you're dying to be a part of team Thanos.
Scans, scans, scans this, scans that... just reference the context and happenings from the book if you were going to respond to him repeatedly. In other words, one of the points you attempted to dodge. Truly, this knowledge will be of great use to you in your assignment below(concession).Thanos being in 8 comics was sarcasm. facepalm
Please address the two points below with no dodges, or sidetracks, and in under 50 words. Shouldn't be difficult at all:
It was a ridiculous assertion, yet, you responded to him several times anyways and that you didn't need to post scans(or even textual references) when ridiculous things were said; instead just responding to them repeatedly failing to mention anything of worth is good enough.
Again, I responded a few times briefly. People get things wrong all the time and my heart doesn't beat a mile a minute while I put the discs in. Relax.
When someone posts something this ridiculous unless I am feeling froggy I won't post scans.
I responded just fine. I was right and he was wrong. his logic was torn a new one when I informed him the Galactus clone was more powerful than galactus so him stating a Thanos clone of Gladiator retaining just the powers/strength of the Gladiator was incorrect.
Not only that but it's a clone meaning there is a mixture so for it to be retain the Gladiator's strength it would pretty much have to be a Gladiator clone not a thanos/hybrid for him to make the claim Gladiator is 4 times stronger than Thanos you cretin.
Originally posted by quanchi112It is stated that thanos wanted to see how strong gladiator was... Not create a clone that was stronger than gladiator... Also stated was that the galactus clone went and started eating planets to get more powerful... Also stated was that the dr. strange clone was no match for the real strange. All explained if you read the whole thing instead of reading part of it. You keep running to that galactus clone... He has nothing to do with gladiators strength.. Go back and you will see that the galactus clone ate planets like hell.. Then go google warrior and let the writers tell you that he has gladiators strength. Then go and google what thanos himself said when gladiator was fighting Ego the living planet... Why do you think thanos used gladiator?.. For his outfit or his strength?.. Then go google the guy that absorbed gladiators strength and see how strong he was.
Give me two examples.I don't have to. I responded and laughed at his logic. You posted scans while doodling on them showing you're dying to be a part of team Thanos.
Again, I responded a few times briefly. People get things wrong all the time and my heart doesn't beat a mile a minute while I put the discs in. Relax.
When someone posts something this ridiculous unless I am feeling froggy I won't post scans.
I responded just fine. I was right and he was wrong. his logic was torn a new one when I informed him the Galactus clone was more powerful than galactus so him stating a Thanos clone of Gladiator retaining just the powers/strength of the Gladiator was incorrect.
Not only that but it's a clone meaning there is a mixture so for it to be retain the Gladiator's strength it would pretty much have to be a Gladiator clone not a thanos/hybrid for him to make the claim Gladiator is 4 times stronger than Thanos you cretin.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Give me two examples.I don't have to. I responded and laughed at his logic. You posted scans while doodling on them showing you're dying to be a part of team Thanos.
Again, I responded a few times briefly. People get things wrong all the time and my heart doesn't beat a mile a minute while I put the discs in. Relax.
When someone posts something this ridiculous unless I am feeling froggy I won't post scans.
I responded just fine. I was right and he was wrong. his logic was torn a new one when I informed him the Galactus clone was more powerful than galactus so him stating a Thanos clone of Gladiator retaining just the powers/strength of the Gladiator was incorrect.
Not only that but it's a clone meaning there is a mixture so for it to be retain the Gladiator's strength it would pretty much have to be a Gladiator clone not a thanos/hybrid for him to make the claim Gladiator is 4 times stronger than Thanos you cretin.
No surprise at your numerous attempts in dodging the most simple of points. Your complete failure to touch upon - "You don't need to post scans, referencing textually the context and happenings in the book would have sufficed" is duly noted.
Anyways, watch how easy it is for someone that has actually read the books to deal with this argument, being that is was practically impossible to miss:
Magic and tech were also added to the mix. Barring Omega, Thanos said they rivaled his might.
So, in summation, your participation in this thread and generally any other, would be a combination of the following:
A) You don't read comics.
B) You do read comics, but cannot understand them.
C) You are a shitty debater/skilled troll and couldn't make decent counter-argument to save your life.
Originally posted by BUSTER BLADER!!He didn't create an exact replica of Gladiator so your logic goes right out the window before it even began. This much is obvious. You never had an argument to begin with.
It is stated that thanos wanted to see how strong gladiator was... Not create a clone that was stronger than gladiator... Also stated was that the galactus clone went and started eating planets to get more powerful... Also stated was that the dr. strange clone was no match for the real strange. All explained if you read the whole thing instead of reading part of it. You keep running to that galactus clone... He has nothing to do with gladiators strength.. Go back and you will see that the galactus clone ate planets like hell.. Then go google warrior and let the writers tell you that he has gladiators strength. Then go and google what thanos himself said when gladiator was fighting Ego the living planet... Why do you think thanos used gladiator?.. For his outfit or his strength?.. Then go google the guy that absorbed gladiators strength and see how strong he was.
Thanos knew enough bout Galactus to clone him so even though Omega was at full power he still created something more powerful than Galactus but he had a lot of problems as well, but raw power wasn't one of them.
Originally posted by SpireBecause I unlike you I don't need to even open up the infinity abyss to quote the scene or post scans to dispel his ridiculous argument. That's the difference between you and I.
No surprise at your numerous attempts in dodging the most simple of points. Your complete failure to touch upon - "You don't need to post scans, referencing textually the context and happenings in the book would have sufficed" is duly noted.Anyways, watch how easy it is for someone that has actually read the books to deal with this argument, being that is was practically impossible to miss:
Magic and tech were also added to the mix. Barring Omega, Thanos said they rivaled his might.
So, in summation, your participation in this thread and generally any other, would be a combination of the following:
A) You don't read comics.
B) You do read comics, but cannot understand them.
C) You are a shitty debater/skilled troll and couldn't make decent counter-argument to save your life.
Rivaled his might could actually mean overall power not strength anyways. You acted like a general term like might means physical strength when it could be interpreted a number of ways.
Of course other elements were added to the mix as he wasn't a straight clone anyways he was a Thanos clone resembling Gladiator.
Now you chiming in after scrambling to post scans to counter one of the most ridiculous arguments I have ever seen proves one of the following
a.You're dying to be a part of team Thanos.
b.You're trying to personally attack me whenever you can probably because you're still hurt when I mocked what you thought was a oneshot exposing you don't even understand the difference between a ko and a true oneshot.
c.You felt the need to go to all this effort with an argument most posters wouldn't dare give me than a few moments to respond to.
Take your pick.
Originally posted by quanchi112I give up... I see that you dont know the difference between powerful and strength. One clone tech.. one clone mystic... one clone cosmic... one clone psychic and one clone strong as hell.Thats the reason warrior was considered the weakest. Also there are plenty other sites where warrior is stated to have gladiators strength. A thanos clone that resembled gladiator huh?..lol.. I wonder why..lol... If thanos was stronger than gladiator, then it means that thanos wanted gladiators DNA for his outfit. And for that... He would not need the DNA.. Only a pic.
He didn't create an exact replica of Gladiator so your logic goes right out the window before it even began. This much is obvious. You never had an argument to begin with.Thanos knew enough bout Galactus to clone him so even though Omega was at full power he still created something more powerful than Galactus but he had a lot of problems as well, but raw power wasn't one of them.
Because I unlike you I don't need to even open up the infinity abyss to quote the scene or post scans to dispel his ridiculous argument. That's the difference between you and I.
Rivaled his might could actually mean overall power not strength anyways. You acted like a general term like might means physical strength when it could be interpreted a number of ways.
Of course other elements were added to the mix as he wasn't a straight clone anyways he was a Thanos clone resembling Gladiator.
Now you chiming in after scrambling to post scans to counter one of the most ridiculous arguments I have ever seen proves one of the following
a.You're dying to be a part of team Thanos.
b.You're trying to personally attack me whenever you can probably because you're still hurt when I mocked what you thought was a oneshot exposing you don't even understand the difference between a ko and a true oneshot.
c.You felt the need to go to all this effort with an argument most posters wouldn't dare give me than a few moments to respond to.Take your pick.
Originally posted by carver9
All of your post is meaningless unless you actually read the comic.Let me help you out though.
Masterson thor was defeated; gladiator stood over him laughing and got hit by a magical lightning in the back which ended the fight. He stomped masterson and it wasnt even a fight. Plot Device ended that fight.
That was CIS, not PIS. Masterson doesn't need anything except his own power to defeat Glads. What part of that don't you get? The fact that Glads got the better of him earlier is irrelevant, that's just how the fight was written, but there's no question Thor can stop him, and did.
Originally posted by carver9
Gladiator fighting the hulk. If you actually read the comic you would have known why hulk beat glads. His radiation weakness was around and then hulk made it even worse. He picked up Gladiator and threw him in it which ended the fight yet again. Plot device.
Again I've seen the fight. How else would I mention it? Unlike you I don't argue on heresay. You claim to know Supes yet the best you can do in terms of his speed feats is chasing after bullets. You clearly don't know much about the character.
Glads was burning Hulk with his HV, before Hulk closed the distance and ended the fight. The point I was making to the other poster (you should follow the argument before jumping in) was that Hulk tanked his HV, with his own power, with his own strength.
It's not a plot device when the character is using his own strength. Hulk also produces Gamma radiation by himself so again, it's not a plot device with Hulk since that's his power too. Although yes, weaknesses are a plot device, but not here with the Hulk scenario.
Originally posted by carver9
Gladiator has taken out Binary with one punch.A super skrull that had all of the powers of earth heros with one punch.
Vulcan with one hit. etc
How does any of that top Superman's combat feats? Nova corps, are you serious? Supreme isn't Supes, you forget Glads is a Supes clone too. Phoenix? What's the context? And if you're talking about it's human host, you've got to be kiding.
The rest of your post is kind of hopeless, you're listing almost all of Glads feats, and they don't scratch the surface of what Supes has accomplished. If you're smart you'd know not to go into a direct combat feat comparison. Glads would lose handily.
Originally posted by AllanklesSupreme is above current superman by a large degree. They are clones of pre-crisis superman, not current superman. Gladiator and supreme have nothing to do with current superman, thats the mistake people make. Thinking they are clones of current superman which they are not.
That was CIS, not PIS. Masterson doesn't need anything except his own power to defeat Glads. What part of that don't you get? The fact that Glads got the better of him earlier is irrelevant, that's just how the fight was written, but there's no question Thor can stop him, and did.Again I've seen the fight. How else would I mention it? Unlike you I don't argue on heresay. You claim to know Supes yet the best you can do in terms of his speed feats is chasing after bullets. You clearly don't know much about the character.
Glads was burning Hulk with his HV, before Hulk closed the distance and ended the fight. The point I was making to the other poster (you should follow the argument before jumping in) was that Hulk tanked his HV, with his own power, with his own strength.
It's not a plot device when the character is using his own strength. Hulk also produces Gamma radiation by himself so again, it's not a plot device with Hulk since that's his power too. Although yes, weaknesses are a plot device, but not here with the Hulk scenario.
How does any of that top Superman's combat feats? Nova corps, are you serious? Supreme isn't Supes, you forget Glads is a Supes clone too. Phoenix? What's the context? And if you're talking about it's human host, you've got to be kiding.
The rest of your post is kind of hopeless, you're listing almost all of Glads feats, and they don't scratch the surface of what Supes has accomplished. If you're smart you'd know not to go into a direct combat feat comparison. Glads would lose handily.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Because I unlike you I don't need to even open up the infinity abyss to quote the scene or post scans to dispel his ridiculous argument. That's the difference between you and I.Rivaled his might could actually mean overall power not strength anyways. You acted like a general term like might means physical strength when it could be interpreted a number of ways.
Of course other elements were added to the mix as he wasn't a straight clone anyways he was a Thanos clone resembling Gladiator.
Now you chiming in after scrambling to post scans to counter one of the most ridiculous arguments I have ever seen proves one of the following
a.You're dying to be a part of team Thanos.
b.You're trying to personally attack me whenever you can probably because you're still hurt when I mocked what you thought was a oneshot exposing you don't even understand the difference between a ko and a true oneshot.
c.You felt the need to go to all this effort with an argument most posters wouldn't dare give me than a few moments to respond to.Take your pick.
I'm wondering if you are deliberatly dodging and trying to turn my points it into to something less damaging for you or just exercising your legendary logic and reading comprehension skills. However it could be both...
Also, major props for originality.
Since you are so concerned with distracting from points you're being destroyed on, and you have completely failed here, go ahead and bump the Thor thread you can't seem to get over.
Originally posted by BUSTER BLADER!!I don't care what other sites claim as I read the comic and nowhere did it state Warrior was equal to Gladiator strength. It's beyond laughable to even suggest such a thing.
I give up... I see that you dont know the difference between powerful and strength. One clone tech.. one clone mystic... one clone cosmic... one clone psychic and one clone strong as hell.Thats the reason warrior was considered the weakest. Also there are plenty other sites where warrior is stated to have gladiators strength. A thanos clone that resembled gladiator huh?..lol.. I wonder why..lol... If thanos was stronger than gladiator, then it means that thanos wanted gladiators DNA for his outfit. And for that... He would not need the DNA.. Only a pic.
Originally posted by SpireNo, you've clearly not only demonstrated you don't get comics but you misinterpret things incorrectly while making a big deal about it.
I'm wondering if you are deliberatly dodging and trying to turn my points it into to something less damaging for you or just exercising your legendary logic and reading comprehension skills. However it could be both...Also, major props for originality.
Since you are so concerned with distracting from points you're being destroyed on, and you have completely failed here, go ahead and bump the Thor thread you can't seem to get over.
What difference does magic make here when creating a clone? Seriously, I really don't know why you troll me when you clearly don't understand comics in general.