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darthgoober Senior Member

Originally posted by Original Smurph
Lol?
Sure he is, by any modern definition.
If a man descended from above, displaying the power to be anywhere he wants to be at once, to see and hear anything on earth, to "squint and see the ends of the universe", to be able to accomplish any physical feat imaginable...
the christian faith cites walking on water as a miracle. Kal-El can superheat the oceans by looking at them.
If such a figure descended from above with every intention of fooling the world to believe he was God, people would laugh til they cried if you claimed he wasn't omnipotent.

I have to disagree. While the "walking on the water" thing is undoubtedly considered a miracle, it's not what people base the power of God on. Jesus isn't regarded as omnipotent because of his actions, he's regarded as omnipotent because he's another form of God from the old testament. Supes could possibly convince people that he's a prophet with his abilities(I say possibly because I think people would be more likely to believe that he's something akin to the Antichrist), but he can't pull off the necessary miracles to convince folks that he's omnipotent. I mean people are expecting to be taken away to Heaven, they're not going to give that up without some serious convincing.

rotiart Stan Lee Stole my name

and exactly how many people did jesus show heaven too while he was here on earth. he's regarded as god because he did things no other human could... some believed, others didn't.

darthgoober Senior Member

Originally posted by rotiart
and exactly how many people did jesus show heaven too while he was here on earth. he's regarded as god because he did things no other human could... some believed, others didn't.

People believe NOW, but it took them a minute to get there and it required a lot of killing after he'd already left the scene. People of the time that witnessed the miracles thought he was nice and all, but if they'd believed he was God and/or at the time he wouldn't have died.

Omega Vision Face Flowed Into Her Eyes

Originally posted by darthgoober
People believe NOW, but it took them a minute to get there and it required a lot of killing after he'd already left the scene. People of the time that witnessed the miracles thought he was nice and all, but if they'd believed he was God and/or at the time he wouldn't have died.

Actually that's exactly the reason he died. Because lots of people were claiming he was the Son of God (the Messiah) and the local authorities (the Romans and the Jewish authorities) were worried that his supporters would become dangerous if they didn't stop him.

darthgoober Senior Member

Originally posted by Omega Vision
Actually that's exactly the reason he died. Because lots of people were claiming he was the Son of God (the Messiah) and the local authorities (the Romans and the Jewish authorities) were worried that his supporters would become dangerous if they didn't stop him.

There's a whole discussion there, but to sum up what I'm thinking without starting a full blown religious debate in the vs Forum I'll just say that if they REALLY believed they'd have stood up for the guy. Words without actions don't mean much.

Omega Vision Face Flowed Into Her Eyes

Originally posted by darthgoober
There's a whole discussion there, but to sum up what I'm thinking without starting a full blown religious debate in the vs Forum I'll just say that if they REALLY believed they'd have stood up for the guy. Words without actions don't mean much.

More likely than not those who believed he was the Messiah thought his God powers would keep him from dying, they were wrong of course.

Wild Shadow Restricted

the whole non violence thing stopped them.. it wouldnt have stop me though.

i be like the T800 come back to save him.

jesus: no violence u cant go around killing ppl...

me: why?

Parmaniac Evincar of KMC

Originally posted by Wild Shadow
the whole non violence thing stopped them.. it wouldnt have stop me though.
i be like the T800 come back to save him.
jesus: no violence u cant go around killing ppl...
me: why?

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Doctor-Alvis Post-Crisis Balki

Doesn't Superman still create ungodly shockwaves when he goes fast?

psycho gundam The Nightmare of Solomon

^ he should.

Originally posted by Hewhoknowsall
A celestial

seriously, you saw what they did to the gods of earth right? son'd the shit out of them.

Original Smurph tu quoqumber

Originally posted by darthgoober
I have to disagree. While the "walking on the water" thing is undoubtedly considered a miracle, it's not what people base the power of God on. Jesus isn't regarded as omnipotent because of his actions, he's regarded as omnipotent because he's another form of God from the old testament. Supes could possibly convince people that he's a prophet with his abilities(I say possibly because I think people would be more likely to believe that he's something akin to the Antichrist), but he can't pull off the necessary miracles to convince folks that he's omnipotent. I mean people are expecting to be taken away to Heaven, they're not going to give that up without some serious convincing.

I'm not trying to claim anything about religion, but I will point out that Jesus is still regarded as omnipotent because of his actions and claims as another form of God from the old testament. He really convinced people when he came back from the dead... Superman did that. He could inform people that he's a form of God, but so could Superman. Superman, if he's out to convince people, could simply lie. He can claim that people have gone to heaven, or he could make a heaven on earth. He doesn't need to be a form of God in order to convince the masses that he is.

The idea that a being like Kal-El could descend from above, with every intention of convincing the masses of his divine power, and not convince 99.99% of the world, is ludicrous.

Hewhoknowsall Restricted

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Hewhoknowsall Restricted

sorry for double post

Originally posted by Original Smurph
Lol?
Sure he is, by any modern definition.
If a man descended from above, displaying the power to be anywhere he wants to be at once, to see and hear anything on earth, to "squint and see the ends of the universe", to be able to accomplish any physical feat imaginable...
the christian faith cites walking on water as a miracle. Kal-El can superheat the oceans by looking at them.
If such a figure descended from above with every intention of fooling the world to believe he was God, people would laugh til they cried if you claimed he wasn't omnipotent.

Superman can't...

Revive people (right?)
Speak in any language (right?)
Read people's thoughts (right?)
Show Heaven
Change form
etc.

Omega Vision Face Flowed Into Her Eyes

Originally posted by Hewhoknowsall
sorry for double post
Superman can't...
Revive people (right?)
Speak in any language (right?)
Read people's thoughts (right?)
Show Heaven
Change form
etc.

To be fair (at least PC, not sure about current) Superman spoke pretty much every language on Earth fluently and while he may not be telepathic he can hear everything and see everything with his X-ray vision. Not to mention he could use his Super-ventriloquism to appear to people as a disembodied voice. So PC Superman could make a very convincing God to plenty of people.

Parmaniac Evincar of KMC

Originally posted by Hewhoknowsall
Superman can't...
Revive people (right?)
Speak in any language (right?)
Read people's thoughts (right?)
Show Heaven
Change form
etc.

Jesus can't...
fly
run faster than speed of sound
doesn't have...
Super Strength
Super Hearing (maybe he has but then it's what you call mindreading)
Heat Vision
Freeze Breath
X-Ray Vision
Telescopic/microscopic vision

IMO Supes more impressive than G-Sus

Lord Feron Senior Member

Originally posted by Omega Vision
Super-ventriloquism

WTF!!! dudes goes around saving the world every other day and he has time to practice he ventriloquism? Bah redick... 😠

Hewhoknowsall Restricted

Originally posted by Parmaniac
Jesus can't...
fly
run faster than speed of sound
doesn't have...
Super Strength
Super Hearing (maybe he has but then it's what you call mindreading)
Heat Vision
Freeze Breath
X-Ray Vision
Telescopic/microscopic vision
IMO Supes more impressive than G-Sus

True, but Jesus claimed that he was the SON of God sent down in human form...not God.

psycho gundam The Nightmare of Solomon

pretty sure the crucifixion thing wouldn't work on superman.

Original Smurph tu quoqumber

Originally posted by Hewhoknowsall
sorry for double post
Superman can't...
Revive people (right?)
Speak in any language (right?)
Read people's thoughts (right?)
Show Heaven
Change form
etc.

Superman is super-intelligent, and could easily learn a language in little to no time at all. He can also, by combining his visions, immediately deal with anything malignant or otherwise harmful in people's bodies, and can deal and arrive at problems before people would be put in danger in the first place.

We're talking about somebody who could solve Earth's problems in a day. Once again, no person on earth is going to watch him move mountains, instantly gather meat for the hungry and hear the pleas and prayers from across the world, and say "well... i haven't seen him walk on water yet... "

darthgoober Senior Member

Originally posted by Original Smurph
I'm not trying to claim anything about religion, but I will point out that Jesus is still regarded as omnipotent because of his actions and claims as another form of God from the old testament. He really convinced people when he came back from the dead... Superman did that. He could inform people that he's a form of God, but so could Superman. Superman, if he's out to convince people, could simply lie. He can claim that people have gone to heaven, or he could make a heaven on earth. He doesn't need to be a form of God in order to convince the masses that he is.
The idea that a being like Kal-El could descend from above, with every intention of convincing the masses of his divine power, and not convince 99.99% of the world, is ludicrous.

Yes but if Supes started pulling off repeat performances of Jesus from the Bible Christians would think he's the Anti-Crist because they're already expecting someone to start pulling off miracles claiming to be God. They wouldn't believe anyone who didn't wisk them away to a life of luxury in Heaven because that's what God's supposed to do next time they hear from him. Anyone making the claim of divinity who falls short of that mark will be seen as a false prophet come to lead them astray.