Originally posted by Ms.Marvel
maul > mace windu? 😐of course. haermm
Maul > Anoon > Qui-Gon = Mace = Samuel L. Jackon < Snakes > Indiana Jones= Harrison Ford < Scottish Terrorists < James Earl Jones = Vader= 80% of Sideous > Yoda and Luke > Force
Maul > God.
it all makes sense nao. 😱
LS fighting skills.... facepalm
Originally posted by mattatom
QGJ was on par with Mace in TPM. In Mace's prime (ROTS) he was a more accomplished swordsman. Mace>Maul.
If you do not then everything is ruined. Please show me how everything is not, in fact, ruined!
Originally posted by Red NemesisI was being completely sincere.
No. I was saying that it was wrong on every possible level and that you have ruined KMC if you were being sincere.To un-ruin KMC, tell me exactly how you were being facetious. Or I'll down 80 bottles of sleeping pills and it'll be ALL YOUR FAULT!!!
Originally posted by Batman-PrimeUh, based on what? Maul may have been credited as the "deadliest Sith apprenticeship in history", and he, like Mace, was a high-end master of multiple forms. But unlike Maul, Mace was the creator, perfecter, and master of Vaapad. That gives him a heulluva an advantage over Maul. And Mace, unlike Maul had fought innumerable battles in his lifetime, and had spent 3 straight years in combat during the Clone Wars.
Command of the Force, yes.Fighting skills, nooooo 🙂
Maul would give Mace a very good challenge, but the Zabrak is going down in both a saber and Force contest.
Originally posted by Jinsoku Takai
1: Luke Skywalker 18
2: Palpatine 19
3: Mace Windu 20
4: Yoda 20
5: Ulic Qel-Droma 18
6: Count Dooku 18
7: Kas'im 18
8: Exar Kun 18
9: Darth Revan 18?
10: Darth Caedus 17
Where's Anakin/Vader? Lose the unknown (Revan).
Originally posted by Lord Lucien
Uh, based on what? Maul may have been credited as the "deadliest Sith apprenticeship in history", and he, like Mace, was a high-end master of multiple forms. But unlike Maul, Mace was the creator, perfecter, and master of Vaapad. That gives him a heulluva an advantage over Maul. And Mace, unlike Maul had fought innumerable battles in his lifetime, and had spent 3 straight years in combat during the Clone Wars.Maul would give Mace a very good challenge, but the Zabrak is going down in both a saber and Force contest.
Maul went against Qui-gon who was Mace equal in LS skills and his Superior in the Force AND against his apprentice. He killed Qui-Gon. That's enough.
Mace is great, with his command of the Force he would win against Maul more often then not. But Vaapad doesn't make him invincible, i can't understand the hype.....
Maul has the greater speed, agility and is a better fighter, a born fighter.
Judging from their Movie fights he would take a "LS only" fight quite often. The best Mace could get is a draw, and this only if we take his EU fluff, the overhyped Vaapad.
Mace (with Vaapad) vs Qui-Gon and Obiwan TPM would go down hard, without taking Quigon with him.
Originally posted by Batman-PrimeQui-Gon, like Anoon Bondara, was one of the greatest duels of their time. Mace, like Yoda and Dooku, was one of the greatest duels ever. And if I remember Shadow Hunter correctly, Bondara wasn't exactly a slouch against Maul, either.
Maul went against Qui-gon who was Mace equal in LS skills and his Superior in the Force AND against his apprentice. He killed Qui-Gon. That's enough.Mace is great, with his command of the Force he would win against Maul more often then not. But Vaapad doesn't make him invincible, i can't understand the hype.....
Maul has the greater speed, agility and is a better fighter, a born fighter.
Judging from their Movie fights he would take a "LS only" fight quite often. The best Mace could get is a draw, and this only if we take his EU fluff, the overhyped Vaapad.Mace (with Vaapad) vs Qui-Gon and Obiwan TPM would go down hard, without taking Quigon with him.
And that "over-hyped" Vaapad of his allowed him to overwhelm RotS Sidious--and I dare you to argue that Maul is above his master. The superconducting loop feeds of the opposing Dark Sider's own strengths and allows the user to match it. Maul's use of the Dark Side to enhance his physical prowess will be equaled by the Vaapad practitioner, and thrown back in the Dark Sider's face. On top of that it lets the practitioner use their own"inner Darkness" to fuel their strength. Mace>Maul.
I'm beginning to doubt that this is a joke. Thus:
Originally posted by Batman-Prime
Maul went against Qui-gon who was Mace equal in LS skills and his Superior in the Force AND against his apprentice. He killed Qui-Gon. That's enough.
You've ignored some things.
One of those things is that Mace Windu's style makes him considerably more potent in pitched battle than in a sparring setting. His style channels his darker emotions into a form usable by a Jedi. It also poses a constant threat in the form of a fall. It is unlikely that Vaapad's metaphysical aspect, in the form of a 'loop or even simply channeling rage, was ever applied against Jinn.
Another thing that you've ignored is time frame. Because we are using peak-combatants, Mace will be at his peak. Mace's peak incarnation did not coincide with TPM. Your equivalency (Mace is the same as Jinn) is therefore invalid. The Mace we are dealing with is far more practiced and far more skillful than the one pitted against Jinn.
A more apt progression would be:
Maul > Jinn
Mace > Jinn
Mace ? Maul
You understand that there is no algebraic proof that demonstrates the relationship between terms that share only this? If X > Z and Y > Z there is no relation demonstrated between X and Y.
So, in summary, you are wrong because you are ignoring the specific combatants and you are wrong because you are ignoring the combatants' specific attributes.
Mace is great, with his command of the Force he would win against Maul more often then not. But Vaapad doesn't make him invincible, i can't understand the hype.....
Maul has the greater speed, agility and is a better fighter, a born fighter.
Judging from their Movie fights he would take a "LS only" fight quite often. The best Mace could get is a draw, and this only if we take his EU fluff, the overhyped Vaapad.
Mace (with Vaapad) vs Qui-Gon and Obiwan TPM would go down hard, without taking Quigon with him.
Lucien
the of their time - ever argument is laughable at best.
Yoda and Dooku > Mace, btw.
I belong to the side which believes that Sidious faked his defeat. He killed 3 of Mace's fellow Jedi Master and Mace couldn't do s**t about it? How long did it take? Was he so slow and bad to not even block one stroke? Was he so surprised, even though his skills are so great and his LS was drawn? Think about it. To toy with someone and to lose against someone... to achieve what you want and playing you cards right, it can be insidious.
Nemesis
Everything is a joke, especially the science some people try to make out of Star Wars. Try to enjoy it, it's still funny and often a good laugh. 😉
Mace developed Vaapad with a friend, whose name i forgot, they stalemated later when they faught.
To develop somthing is one thing, you still have to practice the art. So when sparring it's most likely that one trains it, uses it.
IIRC Vaapad could have been developed prior to Quigons Death.
It doesn't make you invincible, it's not the only VII form and it has it's weaknesses. It's more aggressive, it's more offensive but it can be countered. Grievous (who was a joke fo Dooku) proved it, he stalemated Mace w/ Vaapad. Obi-Wan, as much as i dislike him, might have been even more gifted as a fighter then Qui gon and Mace. He achieved feats, Mace failed at. Defeating Gen G and surviving/besting Anakin.
So you are wrong when you think that Vaapad is enough to defeat a Master like Quigon. Mace improved yes, he might have got a slight edge but still, Maul had it too against Quigon AND Obiwan.
You are wrong again. Mace has speed and agility, like almost any other Jedi do. Maul however was the embodiment of a warrior, he was faster, at least as focused and gifted with a greater agility then Mace. He was (in my eyes) the superior combatant. Though he is dead and one can't ignore all hype I still give Mace 50%. Don't forget we talk about LS skill only. Mace was a Jedimaster, he surely had a greater command of the force.
Overhyped. Some people read or hear a funny word, hear that it's something new and believe it to be superior to everything else. But numbers don't mean as much as some people believe. Vaapad had it's flaws, Grievous stalemated Mace w/Vaapad, Dooku knew it and was still better than Mace and his friend stalemated him too.
Questionable? Like Mace's superiority over Maul maybe.
Doubtful? I don't think so. More like "most likely".
Irrelevant? Mauls "only" fight and the measure by which one has to take Mace. It can't be irrelevant to ask how Mace would fare in Maul's situation. I don't think he would do as well as Maul did.
Prove it? How can you prove something when both Chars in question are dead? Maul and Quigon. Why demmand prove when it's clear that neither side can prove anything. 🙄 I hope you can grasp the point.
No offense, but i can't take you serious and i hope you don't take me serious at all. I understand your points and i know what to expect from you. So let's agree to disagree.
At least i had a good laugh and i hope you too 😉.