Originally posted by Batman-Prime
Maul went against Qui-gon who was Mace equal in LS skills
Way before he created and perfected Vaapad, the deadliest of all lightsaber forms. Also, sparring doesn't = combat. Just because Joe beat Mike wile sparring doesn't mean shit when it comes time to throw down for real. Also, I can't recall the exact quote, but Yoda commented that Mace was "holding back" during their sparring session, or something to that effect . Why? Because he obviously wouldn't tap into Vaapad for a simple sparring contest. Vaapad is serious, serious business and is not to be used unless absolutely necessary (i.e. life or death combat).
Originally posted by Batman-Prime
and his Superior in the Force AND against his apprentice.
Uh, ok, superior in the force? WTF? Where's your source for that bs?
Originally posted by Batman-Prime
Maul has the greater speed
🤪 Yeah faster than "dozens of blades attacking from every angle"? I think not.
Originally posted by Jinsoku Takai
Way before he crested and perfected Vaapad, the deadliest lightsaber form.Uh, ok, superior in the force? WTF? Where's your source for that bs?
🤪 Yeah faster than "dozens of blades attacking from every angle"? I think not.
crested and perfected Vaapad. Which year?
Superior in the force. Yes. Quigon mastered the force enough to be still present after his death. Like Obiwan, Vader and Yoda...
I saw the "dozens of blades attacking from every angle" in Episode III 🙄 Incredible, no Maul appeared much much slower with his VII Juyo 🙄
So if Mace Windu is a 20 and > the likes of Luke and Maul, then Yoda and Dooku had to be 21, while Grievous and his "Vaapad friend" who both stalemated him are 20 also. And Obi-wan, a young jedi knight is 21 also. Gimme a freaking break.
Truejedi, thanks for the info, I will search for it.
It might be even true. The purple sabre was also said to represent the cross of the blue (light side) and the red (dark side), till we learned that Samuel just wanted something special and Lucas kissed his ass. 😄
Originally posted by Batman-Prime
I saw the "dozens of blades attacking from every angle" in Episode III 🙄 Incredible, no Maul appeared much much slower with his VII Juyo 🙄
Don't be so f***ing obtuse. If we went solely on "movie speed", then we can come to the conclusion that Kit Fisto, Tiin, and Kolar are the slowest, dumbest assholes the galaxy had ever known. Movies obviously have restrictions based on the ability of the actors. Kenobi took 13 seconds to execute a "confusing" spin maneuver when fighting Vader in ANH. Does that mean we should take that at face value? NO!!! All TPM shows is that Ray Park is a better martial artist (at least the choreographed kind) than Samuel L. Jackson.
Originally posted by Jinsoku Takai
Don't be so f***ing obtuse. If we went solely on "movie speed", then we can come to the conclusion that Kit Fisto, Tiin, and Kolar are the slowest, dumbest assholes the galaxy had ever known. Movies obviously have restrictions based on the ability of the actors. Kenobi took 13 seconds to execute a "confusing" spin maneuver when fighting Vader in ANH. Does that mean we should take that at face value? NO!!! All TPM shows is that Ray Park is a better martial artist (at least the choreographed kind) than Samuel L. Jackson.
Calm down young padawan 😂
Yeah Movies have restrictions, Matrix for example 🙄
And Ray Park would kill Samuel, you surely can't deny that 😐
What about the Gen G stalemate or the stalemate with his friend, who knew Vaapad too?
Originally posted by Jinsoku Takai
Kenobi took 13 seconds to execute a "confusing" spin maneuver when fighting Vader in ANH.
Funniest 13 seconds in Star Wars!! and "confusing" is a good word for it!
also, batman-prime, Novels are canon, even if what they describe doesn't match your interpretation of what you saw. If it is a fact that is contradicted, then the novel is void, but in ROTS: Pg. 329, it says that Mace's blade moved "almost too fast to see."
Just because you were able to see it, it is still canon that it was "almost too fast to see." If your interpretation is that it was plenty easy to see, then your opinion still doesn't matter as much as the canon statement.
Batman-Prime, if George Lucas had had the money and had cared about fight coreography what-so-ever, in Episode IV Obi-Wan would have visibly been slightly faster and more agile than Darth Maul in Episode I, Darth Vader would have wreaked collatoral damage on everything in sight in his duel with Luke in Episode V, and Windu's movements would have been utterly ferocious in comparison to everyone but Palpatine and Yoda, and the swordsmanship would have consisted of techniques not yet discovered.
NemesisEverything is a joke, especially the science some people try to make out of Star Wars. Try to enjoy it, it's still funny and often a good laugh.
So, in the interest of saving time, I'm just going to give you a "I am rubber and you are glue whatever you say bounces off me and sticks to you" to counter the "NO U1111" that you sent my way. It really isn't worth my time to respond to trolls. One of the others will be more than capable of pointing out where your technique is lacking, and also where your faux-logic could use some work. (Along with exigency, competence, or at least the projection thereof, is critical for a successful troll.)
Guys, here are some starting points:
Spoiler:
Problems:
1. The stalemate is irrelevant. This borders on Truculent level of pertinence.
2. Practice is dealt with in [one of the categories of Vaapad where I showed that using the metaphysical aspects in a sparring setting would be both difficult and dangerous]
3. The Clone Wars provides more than enough opportunity for Mace to practice, regardless of when Vaapad was completed.
4. No one said it was invincible.
5. It is uniquely positioned to aid a Jedi.
6. Focus on style, rather than mastery, is foolish (or else Makashi would dominate everybody always)
7. Arguing that Kenobi is superior to Mace will require a hell of a lot more than an indirect reference to "feats."
8. When did Mace try to best Anakin?
9. No one said that Vaapad alone is enough to defeat Jinn.
10. The algebraic proof regarding Mace:Jinn:Maul remains fallacious.
11. Repetition does not make something true.
12. How does being "the embodiment of a warrior" make Maul faster than someone whose speed is described as "invisible" and is able to strike Vastor Vastor "twice in the nose before the lor pelek could even blink"? This is, again, Truculent level of inanity. (No offense.)
13. You've yet to establish any level of agility or speed for Maul.
14. Why are you rambling about hype again? How does what people think about the subject change what the facts are?
15. Great. No one cares about the Force at this point.
16. We have numbers now? That's great. Here I thought we had only the relative difficulty of each character's feats and their confirmed skill to assess the capabilities of each character. Now that we have numbers we're home free!
17. Dooku and Grievous are not Maul. Also, Dooku and Grievous are potentially even more deadly. Your ABC fails on this and one other count: Neither Dooku nor Grievous ever fought Maul.
18. Stating something doesn't make it true. Still. Burden of proof (I know it can be confusing) lies with the person making the assertion. So, PROVE IT.
19. It is irrelevant because we are not having a FIGHTING JINN CONTEST. We're having a fighting each other contest.
20. I am demanding proof because if we ignore the need for proof then we are just making things up and may as well be writing fanfiction.
i hope you don't take me serious at all.
Batman-Prime was sincerely correct on one point, Vaapad is overrated.
And I say this because Takai described that it was the best, but before anyone in this topic afforms to it being the greatest form of all time, it is important to remember that Vaapad in particular was so aggressive that it was highly susceptible to the defensive perfection offered by Dooku's variation of Makashi, which was why it was stated in Dark Rendezvous that Dooku was, in fact, Windu's superior while fed by the dark energies of a planet corrupted by and enveloped in the Dark Side.
It is important to remember that no form is better than all the others, and that if you're strong enough in the force you can make any form the best because the most important part of a lightsaber duel is the force.
It is important to remember that no form is better than all the others, and that if you're strong enough in the force you can make any form the best because the most important part of a lightsaber duel is the force.
I like this. I'm not sure I agree in all situations (look at Kas'im- he had Bane beat until he gave him room to breathe, or Mara, who killed Caedus until author fiat/his prehensile peniREVAN kicked in) but it is certainly correct in general.
And, once again, no one has said that Vaapad is the best form.
Originally posted by Red Nemesis
I like this. I'm not sure I agree in all situations (look at Kas'im- he had Bane beat until he gave him room to breathe, or Mara, who killed Caedus until author fiat/his prehensilepeniREVAN kicked in) but it is certainly correct in general.And, once again, no one has said that Vaapad is the best form.
How about when Obi-Wan destroyed Grevous in their saber duel, he would have been destroyed if it weren't for precognition. If Jedi A is stronger in the the force than Jedi B, A's precognition will surface sooner than B's, therefore A has a window of time to react sooner, skill cannot compensate for a predetermined reaction to it.
Originally posted by \S//
Batman-Prime was sincerely correct on one point, Vaapad is overrated.And I say this because Takai described that it was the best, but before anyone in this topic afforms to it being the greatest form of all time, it is important to remember that Vaapad in particular was so aggressive that it was highly susceptible to the defensive perfection offered by Dooku's variation of Makashi, which was why it was stated in Dark Rendezvous that Dooku was, in fact, Windu's superior while fed by the dark energies of a planet corrupted by and enveloped in the Dark Side.
It is important to remember that no form is better than all the others, and that if you're strong enough in the force you can make any form the best because the most important part of a lightsaber duel is the force.
Just wanted to reiterate to you that I said it was the deadliest of all forms, not necessarily the best, as that particular aspect is somewhat generalized, and as such, can be defined in many ways.
Originally posted by Jinsoku Takai
Just wanted to reiterate to you that I said it was the deadliest of all forms, not necessarily the best, as that particular aspect is somewhat generalized, and as such, can be defined in many ways.
That doesn't make it a win button (although it often is).
Originally posted by Red Nemesis
That aspect is also canon. And true.That doesn't make it a win button (although it often is).
No... if it's canon, then it's undoubtedly a "win button", as one can't effectively argue w/ an absolute. However, I'm saying that the term "best" can be defined differently. I definitely think Vaapad is the most bad-ass (best) form of them all. But, one could argue that another form is the best for whatever reason. I define best as the one offering me the best chance to quickly decapitate the mutha fukka in front of me (Vaapad). Another could argue that Soresu is better, because it focuses more on defense (the Jedi way... cough... sarcasm), and not killing/maiming his/her opponent. Of course I know that you already knew this. I just wanted to clarify my comment.
Originally posted by Lord Lucien
Yeah, seriously Batty, if you wanna stick around here without being shunned, you're gonna have to realize that canon isn't up to your interpretation.
Yeah, Lucy. BTW I'm quite long on KMC and I don't mind being shunned by people who prefer to swalow everything without using their brain. The canon has it's share of contradictions, else there would be nothing to talk about. Still the SW-Nazis try to force their "canon" upon others, even if the are wrong. How could i forget this fact 😐
Red Nami, calling something idiocy, without understanding it, is not very nice, your parents failed to teach you this lesson, I'm sure you don't behave this way in RL.
Reread the meaning of trolling facepalm before accusing others.
Since you will never grasp the point. Let me just say. You are wrong, plain and simple.
But i wish you still the best 😍.