Dude, we've covered this and you didn't prove anything except that Sideswipe is a very capable fighter with your wiki post. Okay.
That still doesn't counter that we see BB having similar fighting skills as Optimus, though in a smaller/weaker package.
So considering we see SS kill one guy who is running away and see BB tearing apart multiple foes who are actively fighting against him, logic dictates BB would defeat SS in a fight. Logic, apply it.
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
You're funny, Rob. You acknowledge the info in the wiki post, you admitted this. The info states SS has fighting skill equal to Prime.Let's try this another way....Bumblebee versus Prime, who wins and why?
And going by movie feats, BB has similar fighting skills to Prime, mind you, fighting skill, not overall power.
Prime, he's larger, more powerful, more durable, and has weapons many, many times more powerful.
Originally posted by RobtardAnd the fact that SS was made for fighting, designed for battle, means nothing to you? To me, that means he has uber durability.
And going by movie feats, BB has similar fighting skills to Prime, mind you, fighting skill, not overall power.Prime, he's larger, more powerful, more durable, and has weapons many, many times more powerful.
SS having equal skill to Prime means BB would never touch him, SS would be too fast, he would get in close and slice BB to pieces.
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
And the fact that SS was made for fighting, designed for battle, means nothing to you? To me, that means he has uber durability.SS having equal skill to Prime means BB would never touch him, SS would be too fast, he would get in close and slice BB to pieces.
It could also mean SS is just skilled, like your wiki article says. You know who has uber durability; that we do see? BB, ****er kept fighting even after his legs were blown off. That's a ****ing champ, son.
Did you purposely ignore that we actually see BB fighting and his fighting skill is on par with Prime's? Like I said pages ago, he's like a mini-Prime, has the skill; lacks the size/power.
Originally posted by RobtardBB was down and out, if it hadn't been for the chick, he wouldn't have done shit. Even a cripple can fire a gun, and that's all he really did. Hell, it took everything he had to crawl over to Sam. Fail.
It could also mean SS is just skilled, like your wiki article says. You know who has uber durability; that we do see? BB, ****er kept fighting even after his legs were blown off. That's a ****ing champ, son.Did you purposely ignore that we actually see BB fighting and his fighting skill is on par with Prime's? Like I said pages ago, he's like a mini-Prime, has the skill, lacks the size/power.
And like the article says, SS has Primelike skills, skills that BB does not possess. You saying BB has Primelike skills is pure speculation.
Dude, give it up, like I told you on page 3 when you brought out the wiki article, "movie-feats count first and foremost". So going by movie-feats, BB stomps SS.
I've entertained you anyways and have still showed you how BB beats SS, even with your wiki-crutch.
Did you watch TF1 & and especially TF2? BB's fighting skill in similar to OPtimus', he just lacks the size/power. His fighting scene in the desert showed similar fighting skills to Prime's in the forest. Prime is just many times more powerful.
Truth be told, BB wasa bit more versatile than Prime, as he used punches, kicks, knees, tosses and weapons all in one dizzying combo.
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
When was BB shown pwning a bot with his guns, someone who has the speed and mobility that SS has?Also, if SS gets in close, his blades will likely tear BB apart, just as they did Sideways. Just like Megatrons tore through Prime, just like Primes tore through that Decepticon in TF1.
LoL. When has SS fought a bot with BB's fighting skills and power? Answer: Never, he killed one Decep that was running away.
Blades would damage BB, for sure; there's nothing shown that proves they would cut through BB as they did a running away SW. We've covered this, SS stabbed the blade into the ground and SW ran into it, using his own momentum as the driving force. BB won't be running/driving away in this fight.
Prime's blade is energy-based, SS's is metal. Apples to oranges, dude.
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
You're funny, Rob. You acknowledge the info in the wiki post, you admitted this. The info states SS has fighting skill equal to Prime.Let's try this another way....Bumblebee versus Prime, who wins and why?
Yes, the rules say you can use wiki to SUPPORT an argument and proposal, not BE the proposal.
This thread is solved easily:
Has Sideswipe demonstrated ANY of what that site says, in the movies? The clear and inarguable answer is; no.
Has Bumblebee demonstated any fighting skill and ability in the movies? Yes.
Your wiki sources do not SUPPORT anything, they ARE being used as your argument.
"It says it there, so it's true.". It doesn't help you.
If you know for a fact that it is NOT shown in the movies, then YOU know that this debate is over.
Sideswipe has not shown anywhere near the ability Bumblebee has. Fact.
Undeniable fact.
Until you provide footage of Sideswipe pulling off equal or surpassing feats to Bumblebee, he is the one with the winning stake.
That's logic and that's fact. Why do you always do this?
Why do you persist in trying to get everything else involved? There is no need to say "Let's try this another way.", and then involve another character. It's a simple argument:
Has Sideswipe got what it takes to beat Bumblebee based on movie feats? No. End. It doesn't matter what the sites say, because it hasn't happened.
Wiki is allowed as a support, not a source of argument. If it's not in the movie, it's not eligible. Do I need to get this clarified by a mod, again, like I always do? Can you not just concede that you're wrong? Is it that monumental of a task?
-AC
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Exactly, you guess. No way of proving which is stronger, both bades cut through bots with ease.
Has Sideswipe done anything in the movie that the wiki states?
No.
Has Bumblebee shown more? Yes. Took two out at once.
He wins until Sideswipe's footage is discovered.
It's not rocket science.
-AC
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Exactly, you guess. No way of proving which is stronger, both bades cut through bots with ease.
Damn, dude. Use logic. SS didn't swing the blade and it cut SW in half. He placed it into the ground and SW drove into it as high speeds, logic dictates that the cut was had as it was because of the momentum.
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
It's not a loaded question, it's a valid question. He cleaved a Decepticon in two, dude, the fact that Sideways was fleeing is a moot point. His blades can do that to Sideways, they can do it to Bee.
Whether he can or not doesn't prove whether he would.
There's literally nothing to suggest he would. You've seen nothing of his one-on-one combat skills.
It's never been on screen, so stop using Wiki as an escape.
-AC
Originally posted by RobtardUm, no. He launched the blade into the hood while in midair, landed, reattached hss blade, and cut Sideways in two. The blade was never jammed in the ground, it was all Sideways and brute strength.
Damn, dude. Use logic. SS didn't swing the blade and it cut SW in half. He placed it into the ground and SW drove into it as high speeds, logic dictates that the cut was had as it was because of the momentum.