Sideswipe versus Bumblebee.....

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
But the fact remains that wiki counts here. MVF rules are quite clear on this, and you are breaking the rules by ignoring the facts that I am presenting.

Wiki (The wiki site dedicated to ROTF) implies that SS is superior to BB.

Gracias 😄

Disprove it? Yeah, thought not.

What the hell, man? I said sure, your wiki counts, yet doesn't really prove much except that SS has some level of fighting skill above BB; but the actual degree is unknown and going by onscreen feats, BB isn't that far behind. That alone isn't topping BB's on-screen feats..

Originally posted by Robtard
What the hell, man? I said sure, your wiki counts, yet doesn't really prove much except that SS has some level of fighting skill above BB; but the actual degree is unknown and going by onscreen feats, BB isn't that far behind. That alone isn't topping BB's on-screen feats..

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
http://transformers.wikia.com/wiki/Sideswipe_(ROTF)

Sideswipe is built to fight. He is sleek, fast and accomplished in battle. Focusing on his enemies with absolute attention, his blades are a shining blur as he leaps through the air, twisting to avoid enemy fire. He also has dual blasters that unfold out of his forearms and blasters on his back, which happen to be the exhast pipes when he is in car mode. Sideswipe transforms into a sweet silver Chevy Stingray. Converting to his vehicle mode to drive at blazing speeds, he uses every trick in the book to get close to his opponent, and put his powerful swords and blasters to work hacking, tearing,and firing at them. Sideswipe is not that strong, and may not have all the weapons an autobot could want, but he is one hell of a fighter!

Before joining the Autobots, Sideswipe traveled the Universe in search of other worthy transformers to battle. He learned a lot, and became one of the most skilled autobots on the team. [b]In fact, Sideswipe has equal skill compared to Optimus Prime! Sideswipe teaches all of the other members of the Autobots all of the fighting styles and tricks he learned while traveling.

One of the few Transformers to have wheels as feet, Sideswipe is able to skate around his enemies and catch up to fleeing foes with ease.

http://transformers.wikia.com/wiki/Ultimate_Bumblebee

Bumblebee is one of Optimus Prime's most trusted lieutenants. Although he is not the strongest or most powerful of the Autobots, Bumblebee more than makes up for this with a bottomless well of luck, determination and bravery. He would gladly give his life to protect others and stop the Decepticons.

Badly damaged in battle, Bumblebee lost the ability to speak verbally, though he can still communicate over inter-Autobot frequencies (in a fashion that seems somewhat akin to instant messaging, a usable but more distant and less personal means of interaction).

Lemmee guess, BB's luck wins this? 🙄

And look closely at their midsections, SS is no more anorexic than BB. [/B]

In fact, Sideswipe has equal skill compared to Optimus Prime! Sideswipe teaches all of the other members of the Autobots all of the fighting styles and tricks he learned while traveling.

There it is. There's the evidence that SS is superior to BB.

Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
Your faith in Wiki is misplaced.... http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20090708042030AA1SD9Z

Also, RJ: Its strange that you selctively ignore the stats, despite them being official info that wikipedia gets it from... whilst arguing for wiki dominance...

From wikipedia:
"Sideswipe appears in the 2009 film, Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen. He transforms into a Chevrolet Corvette Stingray Concept, and has two wheeled feet like Bonecrusher in the first film. He is armed with two retractable Cybertronium arm blades in robot mode along with a double barreled Machine Gun on each of his wrists and a gun on his back. Early concept art of Sideswipe protrayed him as being red, but he would end up silver.

[b]His Hasbro battle bio states that he is 15 ft. tall and that he's a master in almost every form of martial arts on Cybertron."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sideswipe

Way to gimp yourself....good to see that some things'll never change. [/B]

What are creditable sources here?

Wait, I'll answer that: Movie feats and wiki links.

See how that works?

the wiki link I posted proves without a doubt SS is better.

Theres nothing to suggest that bumblebee used only techniques that Sideswipe taught him....In fact, it looks like Bumblebee was doing fine for along time before he came along..

Forget Sideswipe...hes a minor character in Bayformers.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Jesus dude, try reading it again:

[b]In fact, Sideswipe has equal skill compared to Optimus Prime! Sideswipe teaches all of the other members of the Autobots all of the fighting styles and tricks he learned while traveling.

There it is. There's the evidence that SS is superior to BB. [/B]

Okay, where does it say SS is superior? Let me guess, a student can never equal or surpass the teacher?You just "pwned" yourself.

What I said stands, BB is similar in skill to OP going by movie feats; your wiki links shows why, because SS trained BB. So at best (for you), BB is slightly less skilled than SS.

BB wins going by movie feats still, better weapons, and more versatile attacks.

Originally posted by Robtard
Okay, where does it say SS is superior? Let me guess, a student can never equal or surpass the teacher?

You just "pwned" yourself. What I said stands, BB is similar in skill to OP going by movie feats; your wiki links shows why, because SS trained BB. So at best (for you), BB is slightly less skilled than SS.

BB wins going by movie feats still, better weapons, and more versatile attacks.

And who taught him said versatile attacks?:

Sideswipe teaches all of the other members of the Autobots all of the fighting styles and tricks he learned while traveling.

Surpass the teacher? So BB is equal in skill to Optimus? Because SS is:

In fact, Sideswipe has equal skill compared to Optimus Prime!

Sooooooooooooo SS wins by movie feats AND wiki links, by wiki links that come directly from a wiki page dedicated to ROTF. Nothing you say or post will disprove this.

This thread was over the moment I posted the link, I'm out. I'll check back occasionally to see if any EVIDENCE has been brought forth disproving what I have presented.

Buh bye 😄

Damn I'm good!

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Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
And who taught him said versatile attacks?:

Sideswipe teaches all of the other members of the Autobots all of the fighting styles and tricks he learned while traveling.

Surpass the teacher? So BB is equal in skill to Optimus? Because SS is:

In fact, Sideswipe has equal skill compared to Optimus Prime!

Sooooooooooooo SS wins by movie feats AND wiki links, by wiki links that come directly from a wiki page dedicated to ROTF. Nothing you say or post will disprove this.

This thread was over the moment I posted the link, I'm out. I'll check back occasionally to see if any EVIDENCE has been brought forth disproving what I have presented.

Buh bye 😄

You didn't actually prove anything.

BB's skill on screen is similar to OP's. His fight with the Bulldozer and cat show this. If SS is on par with OP, than he's also on par (or slighter higher) to BB.

By movie feats, SS doesn't win, don't be a tool, he had one little scene, doing one move. BB fought like a complete animal; we actually see this.

The wiki links only really proves that SS is skilled and he taught the others. Which makes sense why BB is so skilled.

Covering your ears and stamping your feet is no way to debate, RJ. It's childish, stop it.

Originally posted by Placidity

Damn I'm good!

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Already been covered, he stabbed the blade into the ground and used SW's own speed/momentum to force his blade through. Was a cool move, that isn't happening to BB though, unless you think BB is going to be in car form and running away the whole fight.

From a fighting standpoint, this is more impressive. See the kicks, kness, punches, tosses and gun combos.

YouTube video

Originally posted by Robtard
Already been covered, he stabbed the blade into the ground and used SW's own speed/momentum to force his blade through. Was a cool move, that isn't happening to BB though, unless you think BB is going to be in car form and running away the whole fight.

Yes thats how Swipey cut him, but why do you think thats the only circumstance he could cut someone?

Originally posted by Placidity
Yes thats how Swipey cut him, but why do you think thats the only circumstance he could cut someone?

Don't know for certain. But he wasn't shown cutting anyone else in half. His blades also aren't energy-based, like Prime's. The momentum thing does make logical sense though.

Originally posted by Robtard
Don't know for certain. But he wasn't shown cutting anyone else in half. His blades also aren't energy-based, like Prime's. The momentum thing does make logical sense though.

Well, yea you are right, you can't be sure. But I don't choose to assume he can't. And while his Blades weren't glowing like Prime's, the Decepticon that got sliced was shown to be super-heated on his open wounds, so it seems to be its still heat-based.

Now it seems for you the real argument was that you don't think SS could slice BB like he did to the Decep. My opinion is that he can, and even assuming if he wasn't strong enough in a normal fight, his blades certainly has the shown the capability to do some real damage. I think its unreasonable to think he couldn't even cut (not clean slice) BB and damage him.

Really comes down to Swipes weaponry. RJ thinks SS is much more skilled, and you think BB is on par (Or do you think BB is better? Dunno haven't been following that much). Lets say they are around the same. This is how I see it, you have two good fighters, one has two swords, the other only has his fists.

Also, BB has a British accent so...

So thats just one more reason that makes him one dangerous motherfu**er....lol
(BB should in that case, sample this at 6:33 and use it in his next confrontation with a decep...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UMh0AMGMaIE)

And its two swords versus an array of weaponry that seems to do the job just fine...

The heating up of the severed car edges was probably because of some highly likely things:

PIS..? (Like in the 1st one where blunt force trauma from Megatron's swingey arm punches through concrete balcony or roof when chasing Sam near the end 'causing the concrete to explode flames and shit.

Friction from a titanium sword ripping through such and such a metal that the TFs are made of...?

The FX guys needing to somehow render the cut visible in the dark scene that that was during...?

Originally posted by Placidity
Well, yea you are right, you can't be sure. But I don't choose to assume he can't. And while his Blades weren't glowing like Prime's, the Decepticon that got sliced was shown to be super-heated on his open wounds, so it seems to be its still heat-based.

Now it seems for you the real argument was that you don't think SS could slice BB like he did to the Decep. My opinion is that he can, and even assuming if he wasn't strong enough in a normal fight, his blades certainly has the shown the capability to do some real damage. I think its unreasonable to think he couldn't even cut (not clean slice) BB and damage him.

Really comes down to Swipes weaponry. RJ thinks SS is much more skilled, and you think BB is on par (Or do you think BB is better? Dunno haven't been following that much). Lets say they are around the same. This is how I see it, you have two good fighters, one has two swords, the other only has his fists.

Also, BB has a British accent so...

Probably friction, hence the high rate of speed.

I'm sure the blades would damage BB, as they're weapons, just that SS wouldn't be able to roll up to BB and kill him in one hit.

Going by movie feats and what that wiki-thing said, they're similar in skill, with the edge probably/maybe going to SS. BB has more than two fist, he has an array of guns and he was shown uses some serious combo attacks, punches, knees, kicks and tosses, along with his guns.

I'm going to have to say Bumblebee>Sideswipe based on screen evidence alone. Rogue, your citing encyclopedia and wikia qoutes. Rob is pointing out actual film scenes. The Sideways kill "looked" cool but was less impressive then Bee's scenes.

Bumblebee's on-screen resume:
*Defeated Barricade
*Killed Rampage
*Killed Ravage
*Killed Brawl (didn't solo but put alot of holes in him, had the highest damage %) while legless.
*Helped Prime drive the Decepticons out while saving Sam and co.
*Destroyed all of the kitchen-bots at Sam's house.

Sideswipe killing Sideways, while cool, is kind of a moot point. Sideways was a glorified messenger, and he would rather run than fight, which is why he ran. Sideswipe killed a fleeing Decepticon not designed for combat, Bumblebee killed several Decepticons, most bigger and more heavily armed than him, who were actively trying to extinguish his spark. And he soloed a few.

Here's a general question, actually one of many I have been pondering...Are all Transformers made of the same metal, or at least similar?

They never specified, but the way I see it is that while they are all similar, some are stronger/more durable than others based on their design and other factors. Megatron got hut by Prime's canon, but Jazz did nothing to him. Iron-Hide took Starscreams missle, Bumblebee didn't. Although it could be argued that Bumblebee was the only one who really got hit, and Iron-Hide was better shielded behind the truck than he was.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Here's a general question, actually one of many I have been pondering...Are all Transformers made of the same metal, or at least similar?

Stands to reason they are from a movie standpoint. What makes some more durable than others is overall size and build. IE a tank TF is going to be tougher than a Datsun TF.

Originally posted by Robtard
Stands to reason they are from a movie standpoint. What makes some more durable than others is overall size and build. IE a tank TF is going to be tougher than a Datsun TF.