Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Bumblebee is shown fighting more than SS, that's all. You are taking quantity over quality. He isn't as fast or as mobile as SS, SS will be hard to hit with guns, and if it goes CQC, BB is done, SS and his swords will slice him to bits.
SS might be faster than BB in moving speed, it's still debatable though. I'd guess he is, simply because he has wheels for feet and BB has to run the old fashioned way, one foot in front of the other.
Fighting speed, BB shows this, SS does not. All SS does is move himself in front of another guy and lower his blade.
CQC = close quarter combat? BB has shown how versatile and fast he is in CQC, punches, kicks, knees and throws, combined with gunfire. SS hasn't shown much expect lowering a blade.
Again, your claim that SS can just cut BB into pieces in a couple of hits is unfounded. But BB destroying his opponent(s) via combos is.
Originally posted by Placidity
I have to agree with RJ. More feats doesn't prove anything.
Nobody's saying it is.
Sideswipe was always the better fighter in the Transformers fandom, but where does he show it HERE? Nowhere.
If he doesn't show it, it doesn't count. You judge the characters based on what you've seen them do. There is NOTHING in those movies to suggest Sideswipe would win or IS a better fighter, so therefore you give it to the one who has those showings.
-AC
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Nobody's saying it is.Sideswipe was always the better fighter in the Transformers fandom, but where does he show it HERE? Nowhere.
If he doesn't show it, it doesn't count. You judge the characters based on what you've seen them do. There is NOTHING in those movies to suggest Sideswipe would win or IS a better fighter, so therefore you give it to the one who has those showings.
-AC
Well that goes back to whether you accept RJ's wiki sites as sources. I never did find out if they were allowed or not. IF they are, then it places SS at least the same skill level as BB.
Originally posted by Placidity
Well that goes back to whether you accept RJ's wiki sites as sources. I never did find out if they were allowed or not. IF they are, then it places SS at least the same skill level as BB.
No it doesn't. My god, what's wrong with people here?
You can use Wiki to SUPPORT an argument, not BE the argument. On Wiki it states Sideswipe is equal to Prime, but this is NEVER shown in the movie nor is it a claim proven in the movie.
So no, there is no "same skill" level there. If it's not shown, it didn't happen.
-AC
Originally posted by Robtard
SS might be faster than BB in moving speed, it's still debatable though. I'd guess he is, simply because he has wheels for feet and BB has to run the old fashioned way, one foot in front of the other.Fighting speed, BB shows this, SS does not. All SS does is move himself in front of another guy and lower his blade.
CQC = close quarter combat? BB has shown how versatile and fast he is in CQC, punches, kicks, knees and throws, combined with gunfire. SS hasn't shown much expect lowering a blade.
Again, your claim that SS can just cut BB into pieces in a couple of hits is unfounded. But BB destroying his opponent(s) via combos is.
Yeah I'd doubt from whatwe've been shown onscreen that that same trick would work so much minus the anchoring technique + The speed of SS in car mode.
RJ, SS definitely rammed his sword tip into the street. Its blatant.
And your thing Sideways was an Autobot, despite the clear, clear way that its obvious in the movie that he was a decepticon, convinces me that you either havent seen the movie, or that you have no idea what was going on.
BB wins.
I just watched the part where SS kills the Decep. He throws his blade through the Decep, then holds onto it and drives it in the opposite direction. So what does that mean? His blades can impale Cybertronians easily.
Therefore Sideswipe wins, due to superior weaponry that can be used to fatal effect in one hit.
Originally posted by Placidity
I just watched the part where SS kills the Decep. He throws his blade through the Decep, then holds onto it and drives it in the opposite direction. So what does that mean? His blades can impale Cybertronians easily.Therefore Sideswipe wins, due to superior weaponry that can be used to fatal effect in one hit.
Superior weaponry doesn't trump superior combat ability.
He's never had a fight that we've seen, Bumblebee has had two or more. One against two Decepticons.
On screen feats for Bumblebee trump Sideswipe.
-AC
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Superior weaponry doesn't trump superior combat ability.He's never had a fight that we've seen, Bumblebee has had two or more. One against two Decepticons.
On screen feats for Bumblebee trump Sideswipe.
-AC
If you haven't seen Sideswipe fight, how can you say BB "trumps" him?
You can be a better fighter H2H than me, but give me two swords and skills to go along with it and you are a goner.
Originally posted by Placidity
I just watched the part where SS kills the Decep. He throws his blade through the Decep, then holds onto it and drives it in the opposite direction. So what does that mean? His blades can impale Cybertronians easily.Therefore Sideswipe wins, due to superior weaponry that can be used to fatal effect in one hit.
If we're just going to make wild claims, then BB easily grabs SS and skins him, as he did the cat. You know, it was shown.
Originally posted by Placidity
If you haven't seen Sideswipe fight, how can you say BB "trumps" him?You can be a better fighter H2H than me, but give me two swords and skills to go along with it and you are a goner.
Because from what we know, Bumblebee has exhibited greater on screen feats, and more on screen feats.
Thus, until Sideswipe proves his ability, Bumblebee wins.
Your point defeats your own; if I have a black belt and demonstrate that ability, and you just claim to have one. Who would everyone logically side with regarding who is the better martial artist? Exactly.
Sideswipe's bio can say what it likes, he hasn't exhibited any combat ability. He's never been in a fight that we've seen.
Therefore, Sideswipe's one shining moment against a fleeing Decepticon in car mode does not compare to what Bumblebee has done.
-AC
Originally posted by Placidity
Maybe if SS was that small and in that form, then yea. What wild claims by the way?
That SS has superior weapons, that claim.
SS cut one guy who was fleeing away, while BB wrecked the piss out of several Deceps (who were activley trying to kill him) with his guns, fist, kicks and bare hands.