Firestorm and Morg vs. Stardust and Kilowog

Originally posted by Galan007
manifested will power or not, it's still energy. unless i see a scan which states GLs [wog specifically] have some type of immunity to transmutational attacks, i cannot buy into the notion that their energy type is any less transmutable than another type.

scientifically based in the sense that jason has to know the right 'mixtures' in order for something to turn out how he wants it to? sure. however, he's transformed energy in the midst of it being 'fired' in the past - hence my "*poof*" emotion.

my explanation is also there... i don't want to talk in circles either.

again, i stated that transmutation would still be an option in that battle, i just don't think it would be as likely/easily done. hal > wog. that isn't a double standard by any stretch.

Just cuz I luvs ya so much, I've been doing some digging, and I was able to find this...

http://a.imagehost.org/0227/Green_Lantern_v3_Annual_8_pg23.jpg

Rookie Kyle's body was turned into an ape, yet the ring was able to transform his body back to normal.

Whether or not FS would be able to transmute Wog with his shield up is still debatable in my eyes, considering the ring's energies itself restored Kyle back to normal. However, this shows that the ring can compensate for transmutation.

Considering the ring's TONS of energy/matter manipulation feats out there, it's not exactly a stretch to say that the ring can counteract any efforts of Jason.

Originally posted by batdude123
Just cuz I luvs ya so much, I've been doing some digging, and I was able to find this...

http://a.imagehost.org/0227/Green_Lantern_v3_Annual_8_pg23.jpg

[b]Rookie Kyle's body was turned into an ape, yet the ring was able to transform his body back to normal.

Whether or not FS would be able to transmute Wog with his shield up is still debatable in my eyes, considering the ring's energies itself restored Kyle back to normal. However, this shows that the ring can compensate for transmutation.

Considering the ring's TONS of energy/matter manipulation feats out there, it's not exactly a stretch to say that the ring can counteract any efforts of Jason. [/B]

Originally posted by Zeuodin
I remember that story. It wasn't the ring. It was their self image that made them turn back or something like that.

Originally posted by batdude123
J'onn blatantly states that it was the ring that took care of transforming Kyle back.

Originally posted by Zeuodin
Yes but he had to have a self image is what I"m saying. If he's turned into salt, he won't be able to think. The ring only took care of the rest after his self image was restored.

Originally posted by batdude123
Better yet... Wog turns Firestorm into salt. dur

Firestorm's going to transform Kilowog's ring.

Then it's Surfer.

Next stop, Odin.

Originally posted by Kris Blaze
Firestorm's going to transform Kilowog's ring.

Then it's Surfer.

Next stop, Odin.

Exactly.

Originally posted by Kris Blaze
Firestorm's going to transform Kilowog's ring.

Then it's Surfer.

Next stop, Odin.

Galactus, soon after....

Originally posted by batdude123
I simply used it to show an example of the ring's bio manipulation. Seriously, the ring has so many different feats of matter and energy manipulation, it's ridulous. Kilowog once created a permanent atmosphere for a newly created planet that didn't have one. Hal has turned his body into a robot before. He's also turned missiles into snow. Kyle has given his own body superpowers. It's just as justified for Firestorm to manipulate a GL as vice versa. Would we seriously argue that Firestorm could transmute Thor or Surfer? Come on now. Couple all the GL manipulation feats with their auto shields, and there's now way Jason turns Wog into salt. Better yet... Wog turns Firestorm into salt. dur

Originally posted by Zeuodin
Well reading the rules, characters act within standard performance. It is Firestorm's thing to transmute. Kinda Like Sersi. No one else does it as often as they do. Not even surfer. He blasts first. So yeah, Firestorm would indeed transmute first.

Him attempting it first doesnt mean it will work.

Originally posted by Naija boy
Him attempting it first doesnt mean it will work.

Exactly.

The idea of Jason turning one of the best/most experienced Green Lanterns into salt is laughable to me.

Originally posted by batdude123
Exactly.

The idea of Jason turning one of the best/most experienced Green Lanterns into salt is laughable to me.

Agreed.i remember him evolving organisms on Thangar in order to create a safe atmosphere for the planet. Someone that adept wont be getting turned to salt just like that.

Originally posted by Galan007
firestorm has transmuted the energy of several characters in the past.

you keep clinging to instances regarding black holes as though they in some way hint at GL immunity to transmutational attacks. they don't. we are talking about completely different 'applications' of power here - one essentially breaks down energy via gravity, the other changes energy from one thing to another *poof*. as far as i can tell, two different levels of resistence would be needed for each.

i don't recall the kyle incident [you know the issue # by any chance?] at any rate, kyle > wog.

correct.

More true. And post-Crisis, GL's have not performed well against black holes.

I don't recall that instance either.

Frankly, a GL doesn't need to be able to turn an opponent into salt to prove superiority over Firestorm.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Frankly, a GL doesn't need to be able to turn an opponent into salt to prove superiority over Firestorm.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
True.

More true. And post-Crisis, GL's have not performed well against black holes.

I don't recall that instance either.

Frankly, a GL doesn't need to be able to turn an opponent into salt to prove superiority over Firestorm.

Originally posted by Zeuodin
Well reading the rules, characters act within standard performance. It is Firestorm's thing to transmute. Kinda Like Sersi. No one else does it as often as they do. Not even surfer. He blasts first. So yeah, Firestorm would indeed transmute first.

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Originally posted by Naija boy
Him attempting it first doesnt mean it will work.

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Since people are claming that FS can transmutate a top GL, can you guys please provide a feat of someone successfully doing it?

Originally posted by Zeuodin
Not too many Gl's are Superior to Firestorm. If any.

Sure there are.