Originally posted by batdude123yet, i've still seen nothing solid telling me otherwise.
Exactly.The idea of Jason turning one of the best/most experienced Green Lanterns into salt is laughable to me.
fact: jason can transmute organic matter.
fact: jason can transmute energy.
thus unless kilowog has displayed resistance to the above, then there is no reason jason would be incapable of doing... what he does.
Originally posted by Kris Blazebecause kilowog is on par with surfer/odin, right? srsly
Firestorm's going to transform Kilowog's ring.Then it's Surfer.
Next stop, Odin.
unless you have something constructive to add to the debate, then why post?
Originally posted by Galan007
yet, i've still seen nothing solid telling me otherwise.fact: jason can transmute organic matter.
fact: jason can transmute energy.thus unless kilowog has displayed resistance to the above, then there is no reason jason would be incapable of doing... what he does.
Yet, I've seen absolutely nothing solid that tells me Firestorm could simply transmute one of the best Green Lanterns into 'salt.'
The auto-shields protect Lanterns from deadly force (except when Johns is writing), so it's not going to be that easy. Plus it's extremely hard to imagine Firestorm able to manipulate them when black holes can't.
Not to mention I've already given instances of a ring's matter/energy manipulation. Kilowog's manipulation to create a permanent atmosphere is extremely impressive. And the ring has allowed the user to completely change his molecular/biological make up and still function normally.
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And I'm just curious where this silly argument ends.
Silver Surfer? I've never seen him resist transmutation on his own body. Why couldn't Firestorm transmute him into salt?
Thor? Sersi has already transmuted him into a frog. What's to stop Firestorm from doing the same?
Thanos? He's never demonstrated transmutation resistance to my knowledge before.
And I'm sorry, but simply saying Thanos>Kilowog doesn't answer the question. It's dodging.
Originally posted by batdude123
Yet, I've seen absolutely nothing solid that tells me Firestorm could simply transmute one of the best Green Lanterns into 'salt.'The auto-shields protect Lanterns from deadly force (except when Johns is writing), so it's not going to be that easy. Plus it's extremely hard to imagine Firestorm able to manipulate them when black holes can't.
Not to mention I've already given instances of a ring's matter/energy manipulation. Kilowog's manipulation to create a permanent atmosphere is extremely impressive. And the ring has allowed the user to completely change his molecular/biological make up and still function normally.
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And I'm just curious where this silly argument ends.
Silver Surfer? I've never seen him resist transmutation on his own body. Why couldn't Firestorm transmute him into salt?
Thor? Sersi has already transmuted him into a frog. What's to stop Firestorm from doing the same?
Thanos? He's never demonstrated transmutation resistance to my knowledge before.
And I'm sorry, but simply saying Thanos>Kilowog doesn't answer the question. It's dodging.
creating an atmosphere is impressive, though it doesn't mean anything in this thread. don't care what other GLs have done.
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this part of your post is... pointless. the characters you mentioned are outside of firestorm's power tier. it would be ridiculous to assume a weaker character could deal out much *lasting* harm to a more powerful character. you seem to be taking my argument WAY out of context.
anywho, claiming jason could affect kilowog [who is around the same tier imo] is simply NOT as bold of a claim as the 'examples' you mentioned [nowhere near, in fact.]
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and for the record, jason has several other options to choose from [sans transmutation.] that's just the one ability we seem to be latching on to.
Originally posted by Galan007
once again, being able to resist the forces of a black hole is much different than resisting a direct transmutational attack. if you still maintain resisting one of them means a character can resist the other, then there is NO point in a continued debate regarding that topic.creating an atmosphere is impressive, though it doesn't mean anything in this thread. don't care what other GLs have done.
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this part of your post is... pointless. the characters you mentioned are outside of firestorm's power tier. it would be ridiculous to assume a weaker character could deal out much *lasting* harm to a more powerful character. you seem to be taking my argument WAY outside of where it was intended to be.anywho, claiming jason could affect kilowog [who is around the same tier imo] certainly isn't on THAT level [nowhere near it, in fact.]
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and for the record, jason has several other options to choose from [sans transmutation.] that's just the one ability we seem to be latching on to.
True.
I think it's relevant. It shows a level of transmutation/manipulation that's on a level quite beyond turning somebody into salt (your reason for why Firestorm couldn't do it to Surfer, Thor, etc). Plus I've shown that the ring can turn the user's body into whatever with a simple thought.
You're downplaying Wog. The difference between him and Sufer/Thor is not a large enough margin to think that while he wouldn't be able to jack to either of them, he could simply transmute Wog into salt like *poof*.
With that said, yeah, I'm done with the whole transmuting argument.