Originally posted by Juk3nIf those were the two premises exactly, then yes, they would be pretty irreconciliable. Which would necessitate the invocation of PIS. Guess which one is PIS.
Well what is it? He can either stop people who arfe moving at ftl speed, or he Can't hit an agile Wolverine. If either of those is true, than the Other MUST be PIS...
But Thor doesn't necessarily stop characters who are moving at FTL speed. He's only dealt with light speed attacks on-panel. He's also been hit by them. And he can tag Wolverine, Mjolnir or no Mjolnir.
If you recall from their recent fight, Thor grabbed Logan's leg and tossed him. Not far enough to BFR, but as he was searching for Wolverine to make sure he didn't hurt anybody else, Thor wouldn't be looking to BFR him anyway. And then Thor countered his back-slash/stab with a Mjolnir swing to stun him long enough for a lightning bolt to hit him.
So I think that maybe your premises are a bit too extreme. Soften them up and reconciling them might not be such a problem.
Originally posted by Starscream MOpponents have been overwhelmed and remarked about Thor's speed many times.
I don't care what someone is mentioned as doing...."sentry stalemates galactus" is mentioned but isn't shown, hence its worthless.Show me Thor being faster in a fight against any capable fighter. Has any opponent of Thor's ever remarked on Thor's speed being impressive or overwhelming?
When I read the topic headline I chuckled, as I moved the mouse to click it I was concerned, and as I read the post my fears were realized. Thor, the guy regularly matched with Superman or the SilverSurfer on here, matched with a guy who was taken out by Hand ninjas before... and people still try to justify their fanboyism. Just say "Wolverine because I like him" and I'd respect you more. Posts like this make me want to forget about KMC and go outside looking for signs of intelligent life. Also, why is it that, regardless of skillset, anyone over the 100ton range is a "brick"? Namor is not a brick. Thor is not a brick. Hulk is a brick. There a differences.
I agree, thor has hit people that travels faster than light BUT people fail to see the difference when fighting wolverine.
Wolverine entire tactic is using speed, agility, and attacking whereas people like surfer isnt a bounce around combatant like Wolverine.
It would be much easier for thor to hit someone like firelord since he isnt as agile as wolverine and doesnt use combat maneauvers like Wolverine (bouncing around everything with extreme speed.)
Wolverine takes this in both scenerio.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
If those were the two premises exactly, then yes, they would be pretty irreconciliable. Which would necessitate the invocation of PIS. Guess which one is PIS.But Thor doesn't necessarily stop characters who are moving at FTL speed. He's only dealt with light speed attacks on-panel. He's also been hit by them. And he can tag Wolverine, Mjolnir or no Mjolnir.
If you recall from their recent fight, Thor grabbed Logan's leg and tossed him. Not far enough to BFR, but as he was searching for Wolverine to make sure he didn't hurt anybody else, Thor wouldn't be looking to BFR him anyway. And then Thor countered his back-slash/stab with a Mjolnir swing to stun him long enough for a lightning bolt to hit him.
So I think that maybe your premises are a bit too extreme. Soften them up and reconciling them might not be such a problem.
Opponents have been overwhelmed and remarked about Thor's speed many times.
People ALWAYS comment on wolverines speed. Lets not even forget that wolverine kept up with Sentry and without that nice bio forcefield he could and would have chopped through him. Lets not forget that Namor commented on wolverine speed and also got BLITZED by him. Lets also not forget that Surfer evadedt he xmansion and wolverine blitzed him, stabbing him in the chest. Lets also not forget about Spiderman commenting on Wolverines Speed, Rulk taking on everyone in marvel u but having the worst showing against wolverine due to wolverine combat prowess.
Just because thor tagged light speedster doesnt mean that they fight ANYTHING like wolverine does; a person that use his reflexes to dog near light speed attacks (cyclops optic blast) at point blank range.