^ It's easily arguable that Thor is more durable than Colossus.
Originally posted by Kris BlazeThose were allegedly angel's wings on Equus' arms. So there's actually circumstance behind that.
Superman was cut in For Tomorrow and later trashed the claws with no effort, hardly adamantium material.
Originally posted by carver9I don't know what issue you're trying to argue with me on. I only mentioned that Thor's speed has been remarked by several foes because Starscream M asked whether or not it's ever happened. Wolverine got curbstomped by Sentry. Also, I have no idea what you're speaking of where Wolverine blitzed Silver Surfer.
People ALWAYS comment on wolverines speed. Lets not even forget that wolverine kept up with Sentry and without that nice bio forcefield he could and would have chopped through him. Lets not forget that Namor commented on wolverine speed and also got BLITZED by him. Lets also not forget that Surfer evadedt he xmansion and wolverine blitzed him, stabbing him in the chest. Lets also not forget about Spiderman commenting on Wolverines Speed, Rulk taking on everyone in marvel u but having the worst showing against wolverine due to wolverine combat prowess.
Originally posted by carver9I don't recall anybody stating that Thor tagging light speedsters means Thor fights like Wolverine. They're completely different concepts. What it does mean is that Thor has shown the ability to deal with combat superspeed. It also suggests that if Thor is fighting hard, he shouldn't have problems dealing with Wolverine's combat speed. Which is partially evident from the fight itself, since Thor blocked a bunch of attacks and tagged Wolverine a couple of times (despite the ridiculousness of it all). Also, Wolverine was aim-dodging/anticipating Cyclops' optic beams (which have been measured to be light speed on-panel). Cyclops can miss. It's happened before, and it's actually easier the closer you are to him.
Just because thor tagged light speedster doesnt mean that they fight ANYTHING like wolverine does; a person that use his reflexes to dog near light speed attacks (cyclops optic blast) at point blank range.
Originally posted by Kris BlazeI actually brought scans to that debate.
You falugging retard. This isn't Galactus vs Juggernaut.Bring some actual scans 😐
No, honestly, if you think thor is harder to cut than colossus, then I'm not even going to bother. that is just beyond ridiculous.
Thor might be more durable to brunt damage, but colossus is far more durable to piercing damage.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
^ It's easily arguable that Thor is more durable than Colossus. Those were allegedly angel's wings on Equus' arms. So there's actually circumstance behind that. I don't know what issue you're trying to argue with me on. I only mentioned that Thor's speed has been remarked by several foes because Starscream M asked whether or not it's ever happened. Wolverine got curbstomped by Sentry. Also, I have no idea what you're speaking of where Wolverine blitzed Silver Surfer. I don't recall anybody stating that Thor tagging light speedsters means Thor fights like Wolverine. They're completely different concepts. What it does mean is that Thor has shown the ability to deal with combat superspeed. It also suggests that if Thor is fighting hard, he shouldn't have problems dealing with Wolverine's combat speed. Which is partially evident from the fight itself, since Thor blocked a bunch of attacks and tagged Wolverine a couple of times (despite the ridiculousness of it all). Also, Wolverine was aim-dodging/anticipating Cyclops' optic beams (which have been measured to be light speed on-panel). Cyclops can miss. It's happened before, and it's actually easier the closer you are to him.
I'll get the scan of wolverine cutting surfer.
I also agree, Thor does have Super speed and he has also fought people that possess super speed but I'm trying to make you see the difference in the type of people that he fought who possess speed vs the way wolverine use his speed during combat.
I agree, everything that you saiad is right but in some instances it shouldnt be argue that Wolverine should be able to bounce around even thor since he has thousands of showing of doing so.
Example. Rulk has face Surfer, Thor, (I dont need to continue bc I know you already know) and his worst fights has been Spiderman and Wolverine. I wonder why? 😕
Originally posted by Starscream M
I actually brought scans to that debate.No, honestly, if you think thor is harder to cut than colossus, then I'm not even going to bother. that is just beyond ridiculous.
Thor might be more durable to brunt damage, but colossus is far more durable to piercing damage.
I agree with this. I have yet to see colossus damaged by any type of sharpnel attacks.
Hell, magic doesnt even effect Colossus.
Originally posted by Starscream M
I actually brought scans to that debate.No, honestly, if you think thor is harder to cut than colossus, then I'm not even going to bother. that is just beyond ridiculous.
Thor might be more durable to brunt damage, but colossus is far more durable to piercing damage.
So nothing then?
Great.
Originally posted by carver9Frankly speaking, if you're not willing to consider the PIS of it all, then consider this: Thor underestimated Wolverine's fighting skills and wasn't fighting for real. He instead tried to contain and subdue Wolverine while investigating what was going on. Had Thor entered the fight without those plot-induced conditions (which he's likely to do now that he's fought him) and relied on his instincts, Wolverine's bouncing around won't avail him at all. And if you disagree with this, you should consider that this is essentially what happened once Thor got pissed off and proclaimed he'd had enough. Result? Thor whacked him.
I'll get the scan of wolverine cutting surfer.I also agree, Thor does have Super speed and he has also fought people that possess super speed but I'm trying to make you see the difference in the type of people that he fought who possess speed vs the way wolverine use his speed during combat.
I agree, everything that you saiad is right but in some instances it shouldnt be argue that Wolverine should be able to bounce around even thor since he has thousands of showing of doing so.
Example. Rulk has face Surfer, Thor, (I dont need to continue bc I know you already know) and his worst fights has been Spiderman and Wolverine. I wonder why? 😕
Originally posted by Starscream MI was thinking off the top of my head where Wrecker blindsided and nearly kills Colossus with a single crowbar shot to his ribs in Secret Wars. Thor's taken plenty of those types of shots. And I don't really see the need for a distinction, although I am aware that, for whatever reason, things change when it comes to Wolverine's claws. But in the end, I just think Wolverine can cut Colossus just as much, if not more than he did with Thor.
not when it comes to cutting damage. does anyone think thor is harder to cut than colossus? come on
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Frankly speaking, if you're not willing to consider the PIS of it all, then consider this: Thor underestimated Wolverine's fighting skills and wasn't fighting for real. He instead tried to contain and subdue Wolverine while investigating what was going on. Had Thor entered the fight without those plot-induced conditions (which he's likely to do now that he's fought him) and relied on his instincts, Wolverine's bouncing around won't avail him at all. And if you disagree with this, you should consider that this is essentially what happened once Thor got pissed off and proclaimed he'd had enough. Result? Thor whacked him.
I was thinking off the top of my head where Wrecker blindsided and nearly kills Colossus with a single crowbar shot to his ribs in Secret Wars. Thor's taken plenty of those types of shots. And I don't really see the need for a distinction, although I am aware that, for whatever reason, things change when it comes to Wolverine's claws. But in the end, I just think Wolverine can cut Colossus just as much, if not more than he did with Thor.
Why is it pis when everyone comments on wolverines speed?
Underestimating, naah, I disagree with that. Hell, before the fight even started, thor commented on Wolverine being one of the most dangerous men to ever walk asgard.
Its too many examples out there proving that Spiderman and Wolverine can do things with there combat speed that over whelm even speedsters due to there agility/speed/and acrobatic prowess.
Can thor tag Wolverine, yes, he can? Would Thor be surprised by wolverine reflexes/agility/and speed, yes because everyone that has fought him has also been overwhelmed by wolverines speed.
Just compare wolverine fights against hulk vs Thor fights against hulk and you'll see the difference.
^ The only PIS was Thor stating matter-of-factly that those were his fiercest/finest blows and his insinuations that he was forced to change tactics. Which you can blow off as Thor just saying stupid things (which he's prone to do, e.g., think that falling off a building would hurt him).
Thor simply expressing incredulity at him missing Wolverine evinces underestimation. Commenting about Wolverine's known reputation for being dangerous doesn't negate that.
All your arguments for Wolverine's combat speed can be equally applied to Hulk and Thor, who both have surprised opponents and speedsters with their speed also (and in Hulk's case, he's surprised Wolverine even). The "difference" you're arguing for doesn't need to be forced here on this fight. Additionally, taking it one step further, Hulk and Thor have surprised faster opponents and have better combat speed feats. So really, the "difference" you're seeing should be flipped (which is essentially what a lot of posters are arguing, just not in so many words).
Originally posted by Naija boy
Carver please stop with these utter fabrications about Wolverine blitzing surfer. It has never happened. The scan ur talking about is not only non-canon but also he didnt even blitz him in that scenario
No, it was quite obviously a blitz.
Carver is never wrong. biscuits