Marvel Veterans vs. Jedi Knights

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Nope, Dudemon.

Gonna need factual proof.

It's in the film. Watch it. You can chose to ignore it, but it doesn't change the fact that it was there.

You have no way to disprove it. Prove that what Savertooth said was wrong, with evidence. My evidence is already out there. Find evidence that runs contradictory.

You also didn't address Deathstrike thinking she could kill wolverine with a Finger spike to the brain stem.

Edit - AC is right about the adamantium skeleton, btw: he has it.

Also, it's reasonable to think he can tank lots of bullets to the head becaue he was fired on by a squadron of soldiers that had automatic assault rifles. Plenty of bullets would have hit his head and chest. Also, I'd like to point out that Deathstike stabbed STRAIGHT through Wolverine's entire body and into Sabertooth's. (I believe it was Logan goading Deathstrike into getting pissed off so she would stab him, injuring Sabertooh in the process and setting him free, which tells us that Logan is a master tactician.) Wolverine WILL use is near invincibility to increase his chances of winning.

Originally posted by dadudemon
It's in the film. Watch it. You can chose to ignore it, but it doesn't change the fact that it was there.

You have no way to disprove it. Prove that what Savertooth said was wrong, with evidence. My evidence is already out there. Find evidence that runs contradictory.

I'm not denying he says it, but villains say things like that. You made the claim so YOU have to prove it. YOU have to prove what he said leads, factually, to the conclusion you drew.

You made the claim, I inquired, you now have to prove it.

Originally posted by dadudemon
You also didn't address Deathstrike thinking she could kill wolverine with a Finger spike to the brain stem.

So? Thinking you can do something is totally different to being able to actually do it.

-AC

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri

He wouldn't because Obi-Wan and Jedi Anakin wouldn't force-choke him to death.

I know this for a fact because you agree with me, which I also know for a fact.

-AC

So, um.....wrong.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Anakin would. He has the ability.

So, um.....wrong.

Jedi Anakin, yes?

Not Sith Anakin?

-AC

Originally posted by KingD19

1.Can't take Caps shield.

2. Ne As much as Wolverine and Cap went through, a choke isn't going to slow them down.

1. The Jedi cannot pull it AWAY from Cap. If he throws it, they can do as they please. They can hurl it away, they can hurl it back at him, they can even pull it to them to use themselves. Cap throwing the shield would be stupid.

2. Yes, force choke would certainly have a huge effect on Cap and Wolvie. If they don't breath, their brain gets no oxygen, and well.......we know what happens then.

OK, can someone please post a vid of Cap in action? What are his attacks like?

Originally posted by truejedi
Also: A lightsaber may be unable to cut through the admantium (thanks to the OP) but it will cut through the muscles and tendons supporting the skeleton. A cut through said muscles effectively takes that limb out of the fight. Skeletons don't operate on their own.

Lastly: A kenobi able to throw and bend the robot skeleton of grievous (20 strokes a second grievous) is going to be unable to manipulate Logan's much smaller metal skeleton?

You are stacking the deck on what is allowed.

For instance:

The Jedi CAN'T use a the well-known jedi practice of levitation,

But Wolverine CAN power through a force-choke? (despite ABSOLUTE no evidence that he can do so!)

You are simply disallowing evidence that you don't like.

Sabers can't cut through Adamantium anyway. Sabers can't cut through Beskar(Mandalorian Iron), Virbanium, Phrik, etc.... There are a lot of metal a saber can't cut through, and they're not totally invulnerable Adamantium is. And Logan has a healing factor, a really powerful one, if you cut him, he'll heal.

As for Kenobi, he didn't bend anything, he just forced open Grievous' chest plate, which was already slightly open.

And for the last time, Adamantium is indestructible, there's no manipulating it, bending it, breaking it, etc... That's what Indestructible means.

And I'm not stacking anything, maybe you should read the rules before trying to debate. We only use screen feats, what they were shown doing on screen. Were Anakin or Obi-Wan shown using levitation? No they were not.

And I've explained several times that a Force Choke is simply a choke without physically putting a hand around someones throat.

Shazam!

Also: The movie

Originally posted by Nephthys
Shazam!

Also: The movie

This video contains content from Lionsgate, who has blocked it in your country on copyright grounds.

Damn, sorry. 🙁

What does Cap fight like? Does he throw his shield alot?

Nope, he pretty just gets his ass kicked. Alot. Its quite funny actually.

edit: Ah, he just threw his shield through someones guts. But it was an alien who regenerated straight away so I don't know about durability. And to be fair, he mostly gets his ass kicked by the Hulk, which isn't anything to be ashamed of (though still funny).

So Cap has no impressive screen feats? wtf?

Jedi Anakin or Sith Anakin, RJ?

Stop dodging.

Also, Cap floored Hulk with his shield.

-AC

Well, he performed the force choke as a Sith, but the ability was already within him. It's silly to think that the moment he became a Sith, he was granted new powers. He simply used his existing powers in an evil fashion.

Anakin has a tendency to go dark side, he did it twice before falling. Once against the Tuskens, then against Dooku round 2.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Well, he performed the force choke as a Sith, but the ability was already within him. It's silly to think that the moment he became a Sith, he was granted new powers. He simply used his existing powers in an evil fashion.

Anakin has a tendency to go dark side, he did it twice before falling. Once against the Tuskens, then against Dooku round 2.

He can only use force-choke in this fight if he's a Sith, though.

Right?

Also, Obi-Wan can't use force-choke.

-AC

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
He can only use force-choke in this fight if he's a Sith, though.

Right?

Also, Obi-Wan can't use force-choke.

-AC

Wrong. Force choke is a dark side power. Anakin went dark side twice as a Jedi. If he goes dark side, even for just a minute, he can use force choke.

Who had more raw power, Anakin or Luke?

Also, it was never implied that Wolvie has such a strong mind as to resist the Jedi mind trick. 😄

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Wrong. Force choke is a dark side power. Anakin went dark side twice as a Jedi. If he goes dark side, even for just a minute, he can use force choke.

Who had more raw power, Anakin or Luke?

Also, it was never implied that Wolvie has such a strong mind as to resist the Jedi mind trick. 😄

Obi-Wan's not going to let him kill with the force, is he? No.

-AC

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Obi-Wan's not going to let him kill with the force, is he? No.

-AC

No morals here, this is a fight to the death. If they have the ability to kill their opponent, they'll do it.

So, who had more raw power? Anakin or Luke?

In the movies, I don't particularly know, but let's get to the point because I've been waiting for you to slip up.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
No morals here, this is a fight to the death. If they have the ability to kill their opponent, they'll do it

I knew that with enough coaxing you'd reveal how much of a grand hypocrite you become when it suits you.

No morals? If they have the ability to kill, they will?

You maintained that we were being ridiculous to say Spider-Man would pull someone's head off in a fight HERE because it's a fight to the death. No morals apply. You said that it was not correct; allowing him to use his abilities to kill, simply because it's not in his nature.

Now you're saying that, nature or not, these two will kill because it's a fight to the death. Such a hypocrite. It's honestly lame that you won't admit it.

Oh, I know what's coming: "Well since that fight I know that morals don't apply.", yeah. Sure.

-AC