Originally posted by Alpha CentauriNo. Since the Spider man debate, Mattie has decreed that it is up to the thread starter to apply morals or not.
In the movies, I don't particularly know, but let's get to the point because I've been waiting for you to slip up.I knew that with enough coaxing you'd reveal how much of a grand hypocrite you become when it suits you.
No morals? If they have the ability to kill, they will?
You maintained that we were being ridiculous to say Spider-Man would pull someone's head off in a fight HERE because it's a fight to the death. No morals apply. You said that it was not correct; allowing him to use his abilities to kill, simply because it's not in his nature.
Now you're saying that, nature or not, these two will kill because it's a fight to the death. Such a hypocrite. It's honestly lame that you won't admit it.
Oh, I know what's coming: "Well since that fight I know that morals don't apply.", yeah. Sure.
-AC
Example, Batman can have his morals intact if the thread starter states so in the OP. Or Batman can kill. See the "Bruce Wayne versus Simon Phoenix" thread as an example.
Thread starter here never applied morals to the Jedi, therefore they can kill with force powers if they so desire.
RJ doesn't believe that someone should be allowed to kill here if they wouldn't kill in their movies.
He specifically said that of Spider-Man.
So, he has to do a 180 now that it suits him, and admit it.
Edit: Ahh, weaselling. The biggest trait of the common RJ.
The O.P. didn't take away the morals either. YOU are assuming that they have none because it's a fight to the death, as we did...and you had issue with.
-AC
Originally posted by KingD19Yes, but Anakin would have killed him without hesitation. Obi Wan did not kill Anakin because he loved him as a brother, plain and simple. If it had been any other Sith, Obi Wan would have killed him.
If I recall correctly, Obi-Wan and Anakins fight on Mustafar was supposedly to the death, and even though he had the chance, did Ob-Wan kill Anakin??? No.
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Proof?-AC
Darth Maul. And the fact that Obi Wan said he loved him like a brother.
And lookie:
Originally posted by Darth Martin
Master Kenobi and his padawan have stumbled across two pissed off veterans in the game. They immediately engage each other. To make the match fair the Jedi aren't allowed to directly pull Captain America's shield away from him with there force powers. Anything else goes.......this is goint to be messy.
anything else goes.
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
I'm not denying he says it, but villains say things like that. You made the claim so YOU have to prove it. YOU have to prove what he said leads, factually, to the conclusion you drew.
I don't have to since it was said on screen, no one contradicted him, including wolverine, and Wolverine wasn't agreeable to it. It's a closed case. No debating it. Fact: you can kill wolverine by tearing him to shreds for at least 2 days.
Fact: you can kill wolverine by stabbing him through the brain stem.
It doesn't matter if this doesn't fit your agenda. You need to deal wit hit.
If it isn't true, then you need to provide evidence that says wolverine could survive the two day ass raping Sabertooth talked about. Unless you can, you must accept it. (You can't, so accept it.)
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
So? Thinking you can do something is totally different to being able to actually do it.-AC
So, instead of actually addressing the point, you've decided to play a word game with my post. Not happening. Address the point or concede.
Originally posted by dadudemon
I don't have to since it was said on screen, no one contradicted him, including wolverine, and Wolverine wasn't agreeable to it. It's a closed case. No debating it. Fact: you can kill wolverine by tearing him to shreds for at least 2 days.
If you call me a racist and I don't disagree, does it factually mean I am? No.
It was never proven that you can kill Wolverine that way, at all. It was said, not proven.
You do have to, because you're not trying to prove it was said. You're trying to prove it can be done. Something being said is not something being done.
RJ SAYS he could beat Batman in real life. Am I to take that as fact?
Originally posted by dadudemon
Fact: you can kill wolverine by stabbing him through the brain stem.It doesn't matter if this doesn't fit your agenda. You need to deal wit hit.
Prove it.
Not that it was said, but that it can factually be done. Nobody's successfully done, or tried to.
Originally posted by dadudemon
If it isn't true, then you need to provide evidence that says wolverine could survive the two day ass raping Sabertooth talked about. Unless you can, you must accept it. (You can't, so accept it.)
I'm not making claims, I'm simply not accepting yours.
There's a difference. I'm not saying your belief is untrue, I'm simply asking you for proof as to why you keep calling it fact.
You need to prove more than: "It was said.".
Originally posted by dadudemon
So, instead of actually addressing the point, you've decided to play a word game with my post. Not happening. Address the point or concede.
No word games. Did she say she thinks she can? Yes.
Did she show the ability? No.
You are claiming these are fact. Are you showing them as fact? No.
I don't go by "Think", I go by fact. Prove it, please.
-AC
Originally posted by KingD19
Sabers can't cut through Adamantium anyway. Sabers can't cut through Beskar(Mandalorian Iron), Virbanium, Phrik, etc.... There are a lot of metal a saber can't cut through, and they're not totally invulnerable Adamantium is. And Logan has a healing factor, a really powerful one, if you cut him, he'll heal.
That's fine, that one is in the rules. If you cut through his muscles though, he will take a moment to heal. His regeneration is not instantaneous.
As for Kenobi, he didn't bend anything, he just forced open Grievous' chest plate, which was already slightly open.
You said it yourself, he forced open Grievous's chest plate. That was made of duranium (which is what they make star destroyers out of)
How did he force it open? he BENT it.
And for the last time, Adamantium is indestructible, there's no manipulating it, bending it, breaking it, etc... That's what Indestructible means.
And I'm not stacking anything, maybe you should read the rules before trying to debate. We only use screen feats, what they were shown doing on screen. Were Anakin or Obi-Wan shown using levitation? No they were not.
When was Logan seen fighting through a force-choke? he was not. So he can't do it. Maybe you should read the rules before you apply them to one and not the other.
And I've explained several times that a Force Choke is simply a choke without physically putting a hand around someones throat.
It is a choke using the FORCE however. Meaning it can't be broken without the victim blocking it in the force. Logan can't do this.
Those making an argument that the Jedi won't kill the characters: WHAT!?! You put them in a death match and then claim they won't fight to the death? A bit of a spite thread then?
Also: Kenobi wouldn't kill Anakin? He left him burning and on fire. His intention was for him to die. And painfully.
He killed Grievous. He killed Maul. Why wouldn't he kill one of these two?
Originally posted by truejedi
Those making an argument that the Jedi won't kill the characters: WHAT!?! You put them in a death match and then claim they won't fight to the death? A bit of a spite thread then?Also: Kenobi wouldn't kill Anakin? He left him burning and on fire. His intention was for him to die. And painfully.
He killed Grievous. He killed Maul. Why wouldn't he kill one of these two?
Just going by someone's previous beliefs.
I am all for people killing.
-AC
Originally posted by truejediDude, they know. They just don't wanna admit it.
Those making an argument that the Jedi won't kill the characters: WHAT!?! You put them in a death match and then claim they won't fight to the death? A bit of a spite thread then?Also: Kenobi wouldn't kill Anakin? He left him burning and on fire. His intention was for him to die. And painfully.
He killed Grievous. He killed Maul. Why wouldn't he kill one of these two?
Originally posted by Quiero MotaTHIS is the answer I was looking for. I said it was a dark side power waiting for someone to say this, thus further burying the argument of morality.
In Jedi, Luke was light-side, but he Force choked those two pig guards to get into Jabba's palace right?So a Jedi can Force choke without embracing evil.