Originally posted by RobtardHmm....Safe to say it must phase into normal space/time as it fires, yes?
So it is a "teh Force pwn all!!111!!" angle. How lame.Here. But I'm sure you'll "Teh Force" it too.
BTW, if you are gonna throw in something that "Phases in and out of normal space/time," check this out:
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Hmm....Safe to say it must phase into normal space/time as it fires, yes?BTW, if you are gonna throw in something that "Phases in and out of normal space/time," check this out:
Been sometime since I watched that episode, but no, believe it fired it's temporal weapon while being outside of space-time.
Skimmed through it, seems that time travel in SW is dangerous, while time travel in Star Trek is easy. There's even a Time-cop type of organization in the 26th century that monitors and keeps the time-line pure.
Originally posted by RobtardAnd what is the range of the Kremin weapon? When it is shown being used, how far from it's target was it? Was it ever shown firing across a galaxy as large as the SW galaxy?
Been sometime since I watched that episode, but no, believe it fired it's temporal weapon while being outside of space-time.Skimmed through it, seems that time travel in SW is dangerous, while time travel in Star Trek is easy. There's even a Time-cop type of organization in the 26th century that monitors and keeps the time-line pure.
Just occured to me:
Originally posted by HewhoknowsallOut of all that we have been discussing, what qualifies as omnipotent?
NO OMNIPOTENTS/NEAR OMNIPOTENTSThis is all of the universes in their entire history.
Who wins?
Also, who is invading who? Is ST invading the SW galaxy?
Do they have knowledge of each other?
Do they have prep time?
Originally posted by Robtard
No, it has to be within sight of its target, but the time-effect cascades across the universe. ie it erases someone or an entire population/species, anything that person/s did and all corresponding actions through time will changed/erased.So given enough time, the Kremin ship erases all.
Coupla questions for you:
How large is the SW universe?
How large is the ST universe?
Which is faster? ST hyperspace or SW?
Originally posted by Lord LucienA LONG time. SW ships are much faster, no contest.
How long does the average ST ship take to cross the galaxy?
And here we go, simple solution to the Kremin warship:
http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Planetary_shield
And when someone brings up phasing torpedos, those torpedos are designed to penetrate shield of a SHIP, not a planetary shield.
""ComScan has detected an energy shield protecting the sixth planet of the Hoth system. The shield is strong enough to deflect any bombardment."
And IF a phasing torpedo gets through the shields, then either Starkiller TK's the missiles back on the ship that fired them, or again, this:
http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Dorsk_81
Fortunately, the students were not at the Great Temple, but rather at the Temple of the Blueleaf Cluster, which confused the Imperials into designating this as their primary target. Fighting against the first wave of TIE fighters, Dorsk 81 hurled giant rocks at the ships using the Force and caused them to crash. The other students did likewise, repelling the first wave of TIE fighters and bombers.[2]
Recognizing their vulnerability in the jungle, Kyp called a retreat to the main temple. There they fought off a ground assault force, Dorsk again using the Force to good effect and knocking an AT-ST into a jungle tree. In the short reprieve between assault waves, the Jedi gathered for a planning session in the War Room. Aware of the seventeen Imperial I-class Star Destroyers in orbit, Dorsk suggested using the Force to thrust them away, based on Yoda's axiom "Size matters not", used by Luke Skywalker as one of the most important teachings in his New Jedi Order.[2]
Arranging the Jedi on the outside points of the Grand Temple, Dorsk stood alone on the observation deck, atop a Force apex. All the Jedi channeled their power through him, and surrendering fully to the Force, Dorsk shoved the Star Destroyers end-over-end out of the star system in what possibly is the most powerful use of Force Push in recorded history. The enormous Force power flowing through him overpowered his body, burning through it and killing him. As Kyp raced up the temple to catch Dorsk, he uttered his final words: "They're gone, my friend".
I liked that book.
I know the average hyperdrive propels a ship across the 100,000 lightyear SW galaxy in about a day. I don't think ST is that fast.
And if a planetary shield can deflect a bombardment from Death Squadron (half a dozen ISDS and the Executor), then... they'd combine for... f*ck it I'm not doing the math--many, many trillions of gigatons.
Originally posted by Lord Lucien
I liked that book.I know the average hyperdrive propels a ship across the 100,000 lightyear SW galaxy in about a day. I don't think ST is that fast.
And if a planetary shield can deflect a bombardment from Death Squadron (half a dozen ISDS and the Executor), then... they'd combine for... f*ck it I'm not
doing the math--many, many trillions of gigatons.
Yep, and it would take hundreds of billions of photon torpedos to get past the
shields of a star destroyer, a single star destroyer has more power generation
than the entire Federation fleet combined, the Desth Star has the power
generation of millions of average stars, Centerpoint station can create black
holes and move star systems light years from across the galaxy...
Robtard will likely claim that he's ready debunked these, even though he simply
copied what Jaden101 argued, which was based off of logical fallacies and
incorrect science.
Robtard will also probably focus on accusing me for being a sock and use that as an excuse to change the subject and avoid having to counter the mathematical proof.
Star Wars weapons yields: gigatons to teratons
Star Trek weapons yields: kilotons to megatons
Star Wars power gneration: trillions to quadrillions of gigawatts
Star Trek power gneration: billions of gigawatts
Star Wars hyperdrive: 100 million and above C
Star Trek warp: 3000 C
Oh my....
http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Dovin_basal
Guess where Dovin basals originate from? That solves the argument of the ST ships having superior shields.
Originally posted by Lord Lucien
How long does the average ST ship take to cross the galaxy?
Average is hard to say, as different species use different methods of transportation drives. Warp isn't that fast compared to hyperdrive.
The Borg use transwarp, which opens wormholes and they can travel extremely long distances in a short time.
Species 8472 can open up rifts from their dimension into 'ours'.
Edit: I should add, anything the Borg assimilate, they can then use. An assimilated Star Destroyer would allow the Borg to replicate a transwarp, as an example. This one one of their greatest strengths.
Originally posted by Freedom888
Yep, and it would take hundreds of billions of photon torpedos to get past the
shields of a star destroyer, a single star destroyer has more power generation
than the entire Federation fleet combined, the Desth Star has the power
generation of millions of average stars, Centerpoint station can create black
holes and move star systems light years from across the galaxy...Robtard will likely claim that he's ready debunked these, even though he simply
copied what Jaden101 argued, which was based off of logical fallacies and
incorrect science.Robtard will also probably focus on accusing me for being a sock and use that as an excuse to change the subject and avoid having to counter the mathematical proof.
Star Wars weapons yields: gigatons to teratons
Star Trek weapons yields: kilotons to megatonsStar Wars power gneration: trillions to quadrillions of gigawatts
Star Trek power gneration: billions of gigawattsStar Wars hyperdrive: 100 million and above C
Star Trek warp: 3000 C
Welcome back, have to say I thought you'd at least take a week or two before you came back. Believe me, I'm truly touched your butt-hurt against me is that epic, but let it go, it's just a hypothetical debate. Okay?
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Oh my....http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Dovin_basal
Guess where Dovin basals originate from? That solves the argument of the ST ships having superior shields.
Can you quote the section in particular you're referring to?
Spherical creatures of varying size, dovin basals were able to generate powerful gravitational fields that were used mainly as propulsion devices and shields. They were capable of creating micro-black holes that could absorb laser shots at spacecraft, as well as almost anything else, from proton torpedoes to concussion missiles. Groups of dovin basals were capable of generating inhibition fields which served as a type of force field to trap enemies in certain areas. These fields could also rip ships out of hyperspace.
Dovin basals could also dramatically drain deflector shields from nearby enemy craft. However, an effective countering to the shield draining technique came with traditional New Republic ingenuity. By expanding the sphere of the inertial compensator to thirteen meters, it would protect the shields like it would protect against any other stress on the craft. However, if enough dovin basals locked their gravity beams onto the shields, the inertial compensator would expend too much energy, tearing the craft to shreds.
And under history:
After the end of the Yuuzhan Vong War, all surviving dovin basals reverted to their pre-engineered forms on Zonama Sekot and melded with the planet's environment.
The Vong have alot of cool shit. Their living amphistaffs are ****in badass. And their armor.