Star Wars vs Star Trek, Lord of the Rings and Battlestar Galactica

It is bad-ass

I do question what giant rocks will do to a Federation, Romulan, Klingon ships let alone a Borg Cube. Shields protect from suck debris.

As far as the super Force-Push that sent Star Destroyers flipping back, it was both a suicide mission killing the user and the ships seems to not have been destroyed.

Where the Star Destroyers in the planet's Atmosphere when the Force-Push hit them? Because Star Trek tech can target a single person on a planet from outer orbit; with pinpoint accuracy.

Originally posted by Robtard
It is bad-ass

I do question what giant rocks will do to a Federation, Romulan, Klingon ships let alone a Borg Cube. Shields protect from suck debris.

As far as the super Force-Push that sent Star Destroyers flipping back, it was both a suicide mission killing the user and the ships seems to not have been destroyed.

Where the Star Destroyers in the planet's Atmosphere when the Force-Push hit them? Because Star Trek tech can target a single person on a planet from outer orbit; with pinpoint accuracy.

Yes, they were in orbit around Yavin 4. What difference would it make? The force binds the universe together, dude.

Sacrifice one to save many. Don't really see how the Federation will know to target Dorsk. The Jedi that channeled their power through him, if I remember correctly, were students.

Imagine if Sidious were the center of power, and the Jedi/Sith channeling their power through him were all Masters/Lords. If the students and Dorsk push managed to push the seventeen Imperial I-class Star Destroyers end over end and out of the star system, just imagine what the Masters could do.

And in regards to the force storm, from the same link as before:

Few beings were known to possess the knowledge and skills needed to create Force storms.

Palpatine's Dark Side Adepts also had the ability to create these storms, though they had limited control over them.

Practitioners of the light side of the Force, such as Jedi, also had the ability to conjure Force storms if they banded together.

Almost a thousand years later, Emperor Palpatine was able to develop the technique himself, which he described in the first volume of his compendium of dark side lore, The Book of Anger. In 10 ABY, a reborn Palpatine sent Force storms out to numerous star systems throughout the galaxy after unifying the various feuding Imperial factions formed after the Battle of Endor.[11] One such storm was sent to Coruscant to retrieve the Jedi Knight Luke Skywalker during a crucial battle in the Imperial Civil War.[1] The Millennium Falcon and her captain, Han Solo, encountered the storm in Coruscant's upper atmosphere, but Solo wrote it off as simply a magnetic storm.

Pretty much implies that the Force storms CAN be controlled to a certain extent, if certain precautions are taken.

"The Force Binds the universe together", doesn't really mean shit unless we have specific feats to go by. If we're going to get into the abstract that the Force has no limits, then it's only fair to allow The Q and The Dowd form Star Trek.

As noted in the link, the Star Destroyers didn't seem to be harmed, they were jut pushed far away. Meaning they could come back once the "flipping" stopped. A photon torpedo can 'annihilate an entire city' (Geordi LaForge ST:TNG), so there really would be no need to target an individual, though it can (and has) been done with ST tech.

What could they do? It's all assumptions. Can Light-side force-users channel their energy through a dark-side user to begin with?

Except that Palpatine died from a Force Storm mishap too.

In SW there are beings which are either completely unaffected by the force or even cause areas around them to be free from interference by the force. The Ysalimiri not only are completely immune to the force but they create a force free bubble around them. So no...Not everything in the universe is bound by and affected by the force. In fact it's as logical to assume that the force doesn't or wouldn't affect ST at all because nothing like it exists within it's universe.

Originally posted by Robtard
"The Force Binds the universe together", doesn't really mean shit unless we have specific feats to go by. If we're going to get into the abstract that the Force has no limits, then it's only fair to allow The Q and The Dowd form Star Trek.

Check this vid, 3/4 down on the left:

YouTube video

If Starkiller can bring down a star destroyer that easily, he can even more easily make a Federation ship alter course.

Think on this: The Enterprise has red matter on board. Starkiller reaches out with the force and goes Magneto on the Enterprise (just as he did in the vid.) He makes the Enterprise veer into another ship. Red matter explodes. And if the red matter is fashioned into a bomb, Starkiller force pushes it back into whatever ship deployed it.

Or Vader could simply Force choke everyone on the bridge/s, one at a time.

Or Vader could simply Force crush the red matter....would this make it explode?

What could they do? It's all assumptions. Can Light-side force-users channel their energy through a dark-side user to begin with?

Except that Palpatine died from a Force Storm mishap too.

Dunno if anyone brought this up, but here:

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Centerpoint_Station

And this:

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Sun_Crusher

Don't see how the ST fleet can contend with either of those. That's not even counting Vong tech, shall we go there? Dovin Basals, anyone?

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Dovin_basal

Originally posted by Robtard
Except that Palpatine died from a Force Storm mishap too.

Originally posted by ares834
Due to the combined effort of Luke, Leia, and Anakin Solo...

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Vader force choking Ozzel from halfway across the galaxy.

Check this vid, 3/4 down on the left:

If Starkiller can bring down a star destroyer that easily, he can even more easily make a Federation ship alter course.

Think on this: The Enterprise has red matter on board. Starkiller reaches out with the force and goes Magneto on the Enterprise (just as he did in the vid.) He makes the Enterprise veer into another ship. Red matter explodes. And if the red matter is fashioned into a bomb, Starkiller force pushes it back into whatever ship deployed it.

Or Vader could simply Force choke everyone on the bridge/s, one at a time.

Or Vader could simply Force crush the red matter....would this make it explode?

We're using video games now? Anyhow, one photon torpedo can level a city from outer orbit, I don't see Force Users on the ground taking out one, let alone several ships.

Why wouldn't they be able to?

Yeah, one mishap compared to how many executions of force storm? Yeah.

Dunno if anyone brought this up, but here:

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Centerpoint_Station

And this:

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Sun_Crusher

Don't see how the ST fleet can contend with either of those. That's not even counting Vong tech, shall we go there? Dovin Basals, anyone?

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Dovin_basal

Okay, Vader can force choke people from across the galaxy if he can see them on a screen. That doesn't mean "everything is possible" in regards to The Force.

Vader force choking everyone on the bridge of a ship was LoLz, just stop.

Why would Vader force-crush a weapon on a ship he knows nothing about?

Centerpoint Station is very powerful. Star Trek has far more powerful ships though. Kremin Time-Weapon for one. Arguable, Borg Cubes too, as they could adapt and then assimilate Centerpoint Station and all on board. Just nine single-pilot Species 8472 ships can explode a planet.

Sun Crusher is a beast, but see above. Star Trek also has the multi-kentic neutronic mine, which does more than take out a solar system.

Vong schmong. The Borg Collective or even Species 8472 are more powerful on paper. Borg specialize in adapting too and assimilating organics and technology. Species 8472 is infinitely more powerful than any other species in ST or SW, they're a universe full to draw upon.

Originally posted by ares834
Due to the combined effort of Luke, Leia, and Anakin Solo...

I've not read the EU, so I have to go with what was posted. It implied his arrogance over how much control he had on a Force Storm is what did him in.

Originally posted by Robtard
Okay, Vader can force choke people from across the galaxy if he can see them. That doesn't mean "everything is possible" in regards to The Force.

Vader force choking everyone on the bridge of a ship was LoLz, just stop.

Why would Vader fore-crush a weapon on a ship he knows nothing about?

Centerpoint http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/ChissStation is very powerful. Star Trek has far more powerful ships though. Kremin Time-Weapon for one. Arguable, Borg Cubes too, as they could adapt and then assimilate Centerpoint Station and all on board.

Sun Crusher is a beast, but see above. Star Trek also has the multi-kentic neutronic mine, which does more than take out a solar system.

Vong schmong. Borg collective or even Species 8472 are more powerful on paper.

Dovin basals could also dramatically drain deflector shields from nearby enemy craft.

I see you ignored the Starkiller. 😉

One more thing....Does ST have a Captain that can go toe to toe with this man? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grand_Admiral_Thrawn

Originally posted by Robtard
I've not read the EU, so I have to go with what was posted. It implied his arrogance over how much control he had on a Force Storm is what did him in.

Good lord, this is getting into another "teh Force pwns all!!111!!!" style of threads.

Force users aren't winning a super-massive war that would be decided in space-battles. Mace even said something like 'The Jedi can't win this war for you.' Winner would be determined by tech.

I actually thought you weren't serious about Star Killer, my bad. That was a video-game, we're using those now? As I said previously, one photon torpedo can level a city and it can be fired from outer orbit. Some force users on the ground aren't going to mean much.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Do you even know how Palpatine died?

Thrown down shaft of the DS2 by a dying Vader. See what I did there.

Originally posted by Robtard
Good lord, this is getting into another "teh Force pwns all!!111!!!" style of threads.

Force users aren't winning a super-massive war that would be decided in space-battles. Mace even said something like 'The Jedi can't win this war for you.' Winner would be determined by tech.

I actually thought you weren't serious about Star Killer, my bad. That was a video-game, we're using those now? As I said previously, one photon torpedo can level a city and it can be fired from outer orbit. Some force users on the ground aren't going to mean much.

You're missing the point. Starkiller can TK pwn Star Destroyers. Yu saying he can't TK pwn a missile? haermm

And what ares said. Read on:

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Battle_of_Pinnacle_Base

However, the Sith Lord was hardly finished. He claimed that he saw through the dark side that Luke wanted to overthrow him and take his place as Emperor. Claiming that the Jedi underestimated his power and enraged by the loss of his hand, Palpatine summoned a Force storm and began to destroy the New Republic fleet.

Using the Force to counterattack, Luke and Leia surrounded Palpatine with a wave of light side energy, cutting him off from the dark side, and thusly his power. With Palpatine unable to control the storm, it spun out of control and began to devour Eclipse. The Skywalker siblings made it out of the ship as it tore apart, taking Palpatine's current incarnation with it. After destroying Eclipse, the storm quickly dissipated.

It is unknown if Eclipse's escort fleet retreated or engaged the remnant of the Republic fleet, or were destroyed when Palpatine lost control of the Force storm. It is probable that they retreated, as the Republic fleet still held numerical superiority, meaning an eventual New Republic victory. Palpatine was consumed by the Force Storm because Luke and Leia surrounded him with a wave of light side energy. THIS is why he lost control of the Force Storm.

With no Jedi around to interfere with him, his Force Storm is very much in control.

/thread.

y must this thread go on...

Originally posted by BruceSkywalker
y must this thread go on...

But then again I know shit about ST, just what has been posted. If someone wtf pwns my last post, I'm all ears.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
You're missing the point. Starkiller can TK pwn Star Destroyers. Yu saying he can't TK pwn a missile? haermm

And what ares said. Read on:

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Battle_of_Pinnacle_Base

However, the Sith Lord was hardly finished. He claimed that he saw through the dark side that Luke wanted to overthrow him and take his place as Emperor. Claiming that the Jedi underestimated his power and enraged by the loss of his hand, Palpatine summoned a Force storm and began to destroy the New Republic fleet.

Using the Force to counterattack, Luke and Leia surrounded Palpatine with a wave of light side energy, cutting him off from the dark side, and thusly his power. With Palpatine unable to control the storm, it spun out of control and began to devour Eclipse. The Skywalker siblings made it out of the ship as it tore apart, taking Palpatine's current incarnation with it. After destroying Eclipse, the storm quickly dissipated.

It is unknown if Eclipse's escort fleet retreated or engaged the remnant of the Republic fleet, or were destroyed when Palpatine lost control of the Force storm. It is probable that they retreated, as the Republic fleet still held numerical superiority, meaning an eventual New Republic victory. Palpatine was consumed by the Force Storm because Luke and Leia surrounded him with a wave of light side energy. THIS is why he lost control of the Force Storm.

With no Jedi around to interfere with him, his Force Storm is very much in control.

/thread.

A missile traveling at hundreds of miles per hour (though that is a great underestimation, as they can be fired by a ship traveling at warp speeds)? No, I don't think he'll "TK pwn" a photon torpedo, let alone 9 of them at once. If this was just the Enterprise D attacking planet.

Listen, if we're going to get into the 'one thing wins the entire hypothetical war', then the Kremin Time-Weapon eradicates everything in the SW galaxy, given enough time, which it has.

Originally posted by Robtard
A missile traveling at hundreds of miles per hour (though that is a great underestimation, as they can be fired by a ship traveling at warp speeds)? No, I don't think he'll "TK pwn" a photon torpedo, let alone 9 of them at once. If this was just the Enterprise D attacking planet.

Listen, if we're going to get into the 'one thing wins the entire hypothetical war', then the Kremin Time-Weapon eradicates everything in the SW galaxy, given enough time, which it has.

Got a link? I can't find shit on the net on it.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
After my last post, and Centerpoint station being mentioned, it really shouldn't.

But then again I know shit about ST, just what has been posted. If someone wtf pwns my last post, I'm all ears.

this thread has gone on long enough, i am sure if you read a lot more in the thread than you'd be satisfied

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Force storm. Indo story.

Got a link? I can't find shit on the net on it.

So it is a "teh Force pwn all!!111!!" angle. How lame.

Here. But I'm sure you'll "Teh Force" it too.