Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
So it comes down to who is quicker on the draw, then? Seems to me that if the Emperor can create a Force storm at will from across the galaxy, he has a great advantage, because a red matter bomb must be placed and set. If the ST fleet enters the SW galaxy, Palpatine can destroy it from the other side of the galaxy, yes?Again, I am just inquiring here.
I don't read the EU, so my knowledge of how exactly a Force Storm is set off is limited. If he has that reach, he'd have to know where a particular fleet was first. Star Trek ships have also survived super-massive black holes (seen in Star Trek 2010, when all the red-matter was used).
Though it is an impressive power from what I read.
Originally posted by Robtard
I don't read the EU, so my knowledge of how exactly a Force Storm is set off is limited. If he has that reach, he'd have to know where a particular fleet was first. Star Trek ships have also survived super-massive black holes (seen in Star Trek 2010, when all the red-matter was used).Though it is an impressive power from what I read.
That's actually the one area of SW EU I am not familiar with. But if Palpatine realizes the ST fleet's imminent approach/attack with his precognition (I don't see why he wouldn't), AND can cast a force storm from across the galaxy (Again, don't see why he wouldn't be able to, after all, the Force binds the galaxy together), then the ST fleet is screwed.
Interesting link:
http://stogeek.com/wiki/Category:Weapons
Especially this:
http://stogeek.com/wiki/Transphasic_Torpedoes
That shit sounds DOPE.
Originally posted by Lord Lucien
Don't those need to be set up first, or something? Palpatine can summon Storms from scross the galaxy.
It's a weapon used like a missile or bomb; not some across the galaxy attack like the FS. Unless coupled with something like the Iconian Gateway, but that's getting out there.
Force Storm is impressive both in power and range, just question the overall destructive-power as that link RJ posted says they can destroy the surface of a planet, not the planet itself. The Constitution Class in Star Trek 2010 was up close and personal with a super-massive black hole and survived.
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Interesting link:http://stogeek.com/wiki/Category:Weapons
Especially this:
http://stogeek.com/wiki/Transphasic_Torpedoes
That shit sounds DOPE.
They are; several been brought up in here before. Here's another:
The multi-kinetic neutronic mine was a weapon of mass destruction utilized by the Borg. The mine had a yield of five million isotons, enough to affect an entire star system. Shock waves from the mine would spread over a radius of five light years.
Don't think you've seen the new Star Trek film, here's what a red-matter bomb can do. This is what happened to Vulcan when a small amount (drop-sized, iirc) was used inside the planet.
Originally posted by Lord LucienThis is what I'm saying. It can destroy entire star fleets. And if Vader can force choke a man from across the galaxy, Palpatine can easily detect and force storm the ST fleet from across the galaxy.
Don't those need to be set up first, or something? Palpatine can summon Storms from scross the galaxy.
**** it, I'm debating now, luv ya, Rob heartbeat
The explosions made by the photon torpedos can he quantified by the area of the Borg cube they take up. The explosions are less than a km big at least and a few km big at most, putting their firepower at kiloton range.
Then the power of a turbolaser can be quantified in exactly the same manner. 1 shot hit and unshielded hanger deck...caused an explosion about 30ft across, blew a couple of guys about 10 feet and flipped over a gun emplacement. Putting their firepower at the firecracker range.
Also, the red matter weapon, in addition to being strategically inferior to Centerpoint station, is not as powerful. Centerpoint station created cluasters of black holes and created star clusters. That red matter weapon was weaker than a real black hole, hence why it took a while to suck up Vulcan.
It's weaker is it?...It's purpose was to contain the energy from an exploding supernova that was going to be powerful enough to destroy the entire alpha quadrant (a quarter of the galaxy) so no...I really don't think it was weaker that centerpoint station at all.
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
This is what I'm saying. It can destroy entire star fleets. And if Vader can force choke a man from across the galaxy, Palpatine can easily detect and force storm the ST fleet from across the galaxy.**** it, I'm debating now, luv ya, Rob heartbeat
Palpatine's problem is while he can create force storm, by his own admission he can't control them...So while they may head straight for and destroy an entire fleet they're just as likely to go off in completely the wrong direction.
Not to mention they wouldn't affect the Krenim time ship as it approaches and fires on the planet that Palpatine was born on meaning he would never have existed in the 1st place to make a force storm.
Well, from the same link as before:
Few beings were known to possess the knowledge and skills needed to create Force storms. The Darkstaff had the ability to create a storm with the power to transport an object forward in time, provided that it had access to a vast reservoir of Force energy from which to draw.[6] In The Book of Anger, Palpatine claimed that he could create these storms from sheer acts of will, although he confessed that he could not completely control them. Years after writing the text, Palpatine boasted that he could finally control his Force storms completely,[3] but in the end, his overconfidence proved fatal.[14] Skywalker later found a recording of The Book of Anger buried beneath the rubble of the Imperial Palace and pondered Palpatine's meaning behind the creation of "storms."[11]
Palpatine's Dark Side Adepts also had the ability to create these storms, though they had limited control over them. Practitioners of the light side of the Force, such as Jedi, also had the ability to conjure Force storms if they banded together,[5] but in doing so were at an extremely high risk of being corrupted by the dark side.[4] When deciding where to establish his Jedi Praxeum, Luke Skywalker was concerned that one of his students could inadvertently create a Force storm while experimenting with the Force, and so he chose the remote moon Yavin 4 to reduce the number of potential casualties.
-So Palpatine's overconfident in controlling a Force Storm ended up killing him.
-Dark Side Adepts had limited control in controlling them.
-Jedi trying to create one risked turning to the Dark Side and in turn would then have limited control over them.
-A Force Storm could accidentally be made and it could kill those create and those around him.
Considering that, I'll stick with controlled and dependable weapons like the red-matter bombs, multi-kinetic neutronic mines etc for my WMD applications. Not saying Force Storms are shit mind you, just not dependable considering the above.
OK then, that implies that one force user has limited control on force storms because force storms are that powerful.
Have a few Sith band together and conjure it, harness their power, work together on controlling it. 5 Sith working all out>>>1 Sith working all out. Pretty simple.
And this, just remembered this dude:
http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Dorsk_81
Fleeing back to the Jedi Academy in a stolen Imperial shuttle, Dorsk 81 and Kyp Durron arrived just in time to warn a group of thirty gathered students of an impending attack. Daala and Pellaeon were determined to wipe out the Jedi as a symbolic victory.[2]
Fortunately, the students were not at the Great Temple, but rather at the Temple of the Blueleaf Cluster, which confused the Imperials into designating this as their primary target. Fighting against the first wave of TIE fighters, Dorsk 81 hurled giant rocks at the ships using the Force and caused them to crash. The other students did likewise, repelling the first wave of TIE fighters and bombers.
Recognizing their vulnerability in the jungle, Kyp called a retreat to the main temple. There they fought off a ground assault force, Dorsk again using the Force to good effect and knocking an AT-ST into a jungle tree. In the short reprieve between assault waves, the Jedi gathered for a planning session in the War Room. Aware of the seventeen Imperial I-class Star Destroyers in orbit, Dorsk suggested using the Force to thrust them away, based on Yoda's axiom "Size matters not", used by Luke Skywalker as one of the most important teachings in his New Jedi Order.[2]
Arranging the Jedi on the outside points of the Grand Temple, Dorsk stood alone on the observation deck, atop a Force apex. All the Jedi channeled their power through him, and surrendering fully to the Force, Dorsk shoved the Star Destroyers end-over-end out of the star system in what possibly is the most powerful use of Force Push in recorded history. The enormous Force power flowing through him overpowered his body, burning through it and killing him. As Kyp raced up the temple to catch Dorsk, he uttered his final words: "They're gone, my friend".
Pretty badass IMO.