Galen Marek (Starkiller) vs Kyle Katarn

Tell it to George Lucas. Luke's power is what Vader would have obtained had he not lost his limbs.
Soresu has a reputation for being an ackward style. Galen is overated to the extreme.
Also, Palps did know a plethora of force techniques, but if you throw him down a hole, he still dies just like every other force user (Mace, Galen, ect.)
The dark side allows for use of the raw power of the force, which is why Palps is more destructive than Luke, but is also why sith cant use healing and protection techniques.

Originally posted by LLLLLink
Tell it to George Lucas. Luke's power is what Vader would have obtained had he not lost his limbs.
Soresu has a reputation for being an ackward style. Galen is overated to the extreme.
Also, Palps did know a plethora of force techniques, but if you throw him down a hole, he still dies just like every other force user (Mace, Galen, ect.)
The dark side allows for use of the raw power of the force, which is why Palps is more destructive than Luke, but is also why sith cant use healing and protection techniques.

Luke is NOT Kyle. Just because Kyle trained under Luke doesn't mean that he's more powerful than Galen.

wtf? Kenobi using Soresu disarmed Grevious (who pwned several council members at once) in a matter of seconds.

NO. Where do you get this info from? Sidious is stated by multiple sources to be the most powerful sith that ever lived.

And your point is...

Galen Marek is FAR superior to Kyle in the Force. Did you play Force Unleashed? He beat VADER and brought down a star destroyer!

Question: With full access to powers are we talking Kyle Katarn with the full power from the Valley of the Jedi?

Originally posted by LLLLLink
Tell it to George Lucas. Luke's power is what Vader would have obtained had he not lost his limbs.
Soresu has a reputation for being an ackward style. Galen is overated to the extreme.
Also, Palps did know a plethora of force techniques, but if you throw him down a hole, he still dies just like every other force user (Mace, Galen, ect.)
The dark side allows for use of the raw power of the force, which is why Palps is more destructive than Luke, but is also why sith cant use healing and protection techniques.

Wow you have absolutely no idea about star wars do you?

So what if palpatine still dies like anyone else if hes thrown down a hole? He still IS the most powerful force user in the galaxy....

And where was it specifically stated that the sith cant use healing powers? Darth sion and Darth sidious both used this power...

LS and DS powers aren't restricted to any side.... luke can still use force choke and and lightning.

Hell even katarn said that powers aren't restricted to anyone side in jedi academy.

yea this has been torn apart already but eh..

Originally posted by LLLLLink
Tell it to George Lucas. Luke's power is what Vader would have obtained had he not lost his limbs.

Originally posted by LLLLLink
Soresu has a reputation for being an ackward style. Galen is overated to the extreme.

Originally posted by LLLLLink
Also, Palps did know a plethora of force techniques, but if you throw him down a hole, he still dies just like every other force user (Mace, Galen, ect.)

Originally posted by LLLLLink
The dark side allows for use of the raw power of the force, which is why Palps is more destructive than Luke, but is also why sith cant use healing and protection techniques.

First off, Galen did not pull a Star Destroyer out of the sky. He merely guided one that was already falling. Way to go making it sound better than it actually was. It took more force power for Mace to crush a ship than for Galen to do that.
The only reason that Galen beat Vader is because of the force lightning he uses. There are 3 types of Sith lightning: Electrical (Galen), Control (Dooku), and Raw Force (Palpatine). Vader is almost all machine, therefore, it makes sense that Galen's lightning was more destructive to him. To say otherwise is fanboy denial and lunacy.

I was wrong about one thing: Galen does NOT use Soresu style. Soresu is strictly defensive, and yes, it is the style of Kenobi. Galen uses a variation of Shien/Djem So. Here's a quote from Wookiepedia:

"Another unique lightsaber style was that of Adi Gallia who held her saber with a one-handed reverse grip resulting in wide, long swings. This was a personal variation of Shien, much as Vaapad was Mace Windu's personal variation of Juyo. Anakin Skywalker's first Padawan Ahsoka Tano and later his secret apprentice Galen Marek also seemed to prefer this style."

This was the 'ackward style' I was referring to, not Soresu. My mistake.

Also, I believe it was Darth Bane that said that a Sith will never use healing techniques. They draw power from their pain. Them's the rules; I didnt write 'em.

Originally posted by LLLLLink
First off, Galen did not pull a Star Destroyer out of the sky. He merely guided one that was already falling. Way to go making it sound better than it actually was. It took more force power for Mace to crush a ship than for Galen to do that.
The only reason that Galen beat Vader is because of the force lightning he uses. There are 3 types of Sith lightning: Electrical (Galen), Control (Dooku), and Raw Force (Palpatine). Vader is almost all machine, therefore, it makes sense that Galen's lightning was more destructive to him. To say otherwise is fanboy denial and lunacy.

I was wrong about one thing: Galen does NOT use Soresu style. Soresu is strictly defensive, and yes, it is the style of Kenobi. Galen uses a variation of Shien/Djem So. Here's a quote from Wookiepedia:

"Another unique lightsaber style was that of Adi Gallia who held her saber with a one-handed reverse grip resulting in wide, long swings. This was a personal variation of Shien, much as Vaapad was Mace Windu's personal variation of Juyo. Anakin Skywalker's first Padawan Ahsoka Tano and later his secret apprentice Galen Marek also seemed to prefer this style."

This was the 'ackward style' I was referring to, not Soresu. My mistake.

Also, I believe it was Darth Bane that said that a Sith will never use healing techniques. They draw power from their pain. Them's the rules; I didnt write 'em.

Galen still wins. Guiding a star destroyer is still a great feat, as is defeating Vader even if it's with lightning. And where did you get this different types of lightning from?

Originally posted by LLLLLink

The only reason that Galen beat Vader is because of the force lightning he uses. There are 3 types of Sith lightning: Electrical (Galen), Control (Dooku), and Raw Force (Palpatine). Vader is almost all machine, therefore, it makes sense that Galen's lightning was more destructive to him. To say otherwise is fanboy denial and lunacy.

First off galen's lightning could barely even effect vader(source, TFU novel) seeing how vader shrugs it off.

Secondly, galen sent out a massive force wave that knocked vader on his ass, proceeds to smash him with three massive pillars, tears off his helmet, grabs vader , sends him flying through a concrete wall and after that smashing him into a pillar that shattered to pieces.

Oh and he defeated a vader that rag dolled powerful jedi that tore space stations apart.

Your being the fanboy in denial.

Originally posted by LLLLLink

Also, I believe it was Darth Bane that said that a Sith will never use healing techniques. They draw power from their pain. Them's the rules; I didnt write 'em.

Originally posted by LLLLLink
First off, Galen did not pull a Star Destroyer out of the sky. He merely guided one that was already falling. Way to go making it sound better than it actually was. It took more force power for Mace to crush a ship than for Galen to do that.

Originally posted by LLLLLink
The only reason that Galen beat Vader is because of the force lightning he uses. There are 3 types of Sith lightning: Electrical (Galen), Control (Dooku), and Raw Force (Palpatine). Vader is almost all machine, therefore, it makes sense that Galen's lightning was more destructive to him. To say otherwise is fanboy denial and lunacy.

Originally posted by LLLLLink
I was wrong about one thing: Galen does NOT use Soresu style. Soresu is strictly defensive, and yes, it is the style of Kenobi. Galen uses a variation of Shien/Djem So. Here's a quote from Wookiepedia:

"Another unique lightsaber style was that of Adi Gallia who held her saber with a one-handed reverse grip resulting in wide, long swings. This was a personal variation of Shien, much as Vaapad was Mace Windu's personal variation of Juyo. Anakin Skywalker's first Padawan Ahsoka Tano and later his secret apprentice Galen Marek also seemed to prefer this style."

Marek had a basic familarity with all seven forms of lightsaber combat, able to recognize them in his opponent's style and technique. For himself, he specialized in Juyo and Soresu

weird..

Originally posted by LLLLLink
Also, I believe it was Darth Bane that said that a Sith will never use healing techniques. They draw power from their pain. Them's the rules; I didnt write 'em.

You say there are no different types of force lightning? God, it is a well known fact that there are multiple types. It's even shown in the movies and books. You can see the difference. Plus, it also gives you a good idea about Galen's resiliance. Galen got owned by Palpatine's lightning, but Luke was able to take it with only a few years training.

The "OMGzorz, Starkiller is teh awsome!" mentality is killing me. He died, Vader lived, period. Kyle clearly has superior lightsaber skills, seeing how an android Maul or a psycho-renegade Jedi can out-do Galen.

And pure Sith do not use healing powers. Fact. Does Galen? No. I never meant that they couldnt, only that they wont. (MadMel is right about Bane)

Full power Kyle has everything he needs to beat full power Galen. I'm not saying it wouldnt be close or whatever, but I am saying that Kyle's collective peak goes above Galen's.

Originally posted by LLLLLink
[B]You say there are no different types of force lightning? God, it is a well known fact that there are multiple types. It's even shown in the movies and books. You can see the difference. Plus, it also gives you a good idea about Galen's resiliance. Galen got owned by Palpatine's lightning, but Luke was able to take it with only a few years training.

there is no different "types" of lightning at all. just because they look different doesnt mean anything.

And pure Sith do not use healing powers. Fact. Does Galen? No.

banes word doesnt represent the entirety of sith society. bane isnt even a true sith.

that aside. i say kyle wins.

Originally posted by LLLLLink
You say there are no different types of force lightning? God, it is a well known fact that there are multiple types. It's even shown in the movies and books.

I'll answer for you: none, all of them were the generic lightning bolt.

Originally posted by LLLLLink

You can see the difference. Plus, it also gives you a good idea about Galen's resiliance. Galen got owned by Palpatine's lightning, but Luke was able to take it with only a few years training.

According to the essential guide to characters and the G-canon novel, palpatine was merely trying to torture luke and not kill him.

In galens case palpatine decided to incapacitate him hence why he got "owned".

Originally posted by LLLLLink

The "OMGzorz, Starkiller is teh awsome!" mentality is killing me. He died, Vader lived, period. Kyle clearly has superior lightsaber skills, seeing how an android Maul or a psycho-renegade Jedi can out-do Galen.

Look, i hate galen as much as you do, hes far too much of a gary stu for me and he is the worst character ever created for star wars.

Really? What different type of lightning was shown in the movie?

I'll answer for you: none, all of them were the generic lightning bolt.

They look different, some are blue, some are violet, Luke knows a technique called 'Emerald Lightning' which is green and Exar Kun was reportedly a master of 'Black Lightning'. But I don't know if theres any diffence in their effects.

For example here's a pic of Marek's lightning: http://www.vaporsmagazine.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/11/star-wars-the-force-unleashed.jpg

It's clearly blue.

Here's a picture of Palpatines lightning: http://media.photobucket.com/image/galen%20marek/aurabesh/FinalBattlePalpatineMarek.jpg

It's clearly violet (/purple).

Originally posted by LLLLLink
You say there are no different types of force lightning? God, it is a well known fact that there are multiple types. It's even shown in the movies and books. You can see the difference. Plus, it also gives you a good idea about Galen's resiliance. Galen got owned by Palpatine's lightning, but Luke was able to take it with only a few years training.

When are there different types of lightning that are regularly seen? You could argue that both Luke's emerald lightning and The Hidden One's lightning are different types, but these are two isolated examples that have little to nothing to do with this fight.

Originally posted by LLLLLink

The "OMGzorz, Starkiller is teh awsome!" mentality is killing me. He died, Vader lived, period. Kyle clearly has superior lightsaber skills, seeing how an android Maul or a psycho-renegade Jedi can out-do Galen.

wtf? Vader lived because he wasn't trying to stand up to Sidious's lightning. Hey, Luke ends up dying (although we don't know how yet, we know that he died at some point since his Force ghost shows up) but Cade is still alive. Does this mean that Cade is somehow more powerful just because he's still alive?

Originally posted by LLLLLink

Full power Kyle has everything he needs to beat full power Galen. I'm not saying it wouldnt be close or whatever, but I am saying that Kyle's collective peak goes above Galen's.

HOW? You have yet to prove it or offer any real evidence.

Galen redirected a star destroyer, beat Vader, temporarily stood up to the Emperor and (I think) brought down an AT-AT using TK.

Ok, more lightning talk. Vader loses to Galen's lightning but tanks Palpatine's (temporarily) and throws him (then he dies, PIS).
Try to look past the pretty colors and look at the effects.
Galen's has very much a shocking, stunning, short-curcuiting type of effect.
Dooku's has the ability to lift and control and/or throw the target.
Palpatine's is raw, piercing, painful force power.
This isnt to say that a Sith is limited to only one type.

And dying isnt the same as becoming "one with the force".

Contrary to popular belief, I do not hate Galen. He is one of my fav Star Wars characters among many. I even main him in Soul Calibur 4. So dont think I'm just hatin' on him.

It's plainly obvious that Marek tools Katarn in a straight up contest of strength in the Force; it isn't close.

Originally posted by Gideon
It's plainly obvious that Marek tools Katarn in a straight up contest of strength in the Force; it isn't close.

NemeBro
That was what I thought...I am not too knowledgable in Katarn but to call Galen Marek anything other than a Force behemoth is underrating.

This is correct.

Katarn may (and is very well likely) the superior swordsman, but Marek overwhelms him without doubt in terms of Force strength.

Originally posted by Nephthys
They look different, some are blue, some are violet, Luke knows a technique called 'Emerald Lightning' which is green and Exar Kun was reportedly a master of 'Black Lightning'. But I don't know if theres any diffence in their effects.

For example here's a pic of Marek's lightning: http://www.vaporsmagazine.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/11/star-wars-the-force-unleashed.jpg

It's clearly blue.

Here's a picture of Palpatines lightning: http://media.photobucket.com/image/galen%20marek/aurabesh/FinalBattlePalpatineMarek.jpg

It's clearly violet (/purple).

Read carefully, he said that different types of lightning were shown in the movies which is false.

So what if palpatines lighting is violet while the others are blue? Its STILL the same lighting attack but with different colors.

Originally posted by LLLLLink
Ok, more lightning talk. Vader loses to Galen's lightning but tanks Palpatine's (temporarily) and throws him (then he dies, PIS).

The game doesn't and the novel doesn't either so respond to my post.

No offence but your starting to "sound" like a broken record.