Galen Marek (Starkiller) vs Kyle Katarn

God, Borat, try not to misunderstand everything, okay.

Im not saying that Vader LOST to Galen's lightning but that He WOULD LOSE to it. There is a difference. I hope you can see it.

And yes, I agree with Gideon that Galen has more force lifting power than Kyle, hands down. Probably more midiclorians too, but I'm not sure. But Kyle has a plethora of different powers in comparison to Galen, many of which Galen will not use.

Anakin had more midiclorians than Kenobi but he still lost. That factor does not decide the battle.

Originally posted by LLLLLink
God, Borat, try not to misunderstand everything, okay.

Im not saying that Vader LOST to Galen's lightning but that He WOULD LOSE to it. There is a difference. I hope you can see it.

And yes, I agree with Gideon that Galen has more force lifting power than Kyle, hands down. Probably more midiclorians too, but I'm not sure. But Kyle has a plethora of different powers in comparison to Galen, many of which Galen will not use.

Anakin had more midiclorians than Kenobi but he still lost. That factor does not decide the battle.

Galen beat Vader...that is a very impressive feat. What has Kyle done that's on par with that?

"plethora of different powers" like what? Also: is this LS Marek or DS Marek?

Originally posted by LLLLLink
God, Borat, try not to misunderstand everything, okay.

Im not saying that Vader LOST to Galen's lightning but that He WOULD LOSE to it. There is a difference. I hope you can see it.

And yes, I agree with Gideon that Galen has more force lifting power than Kyle, hands down. Probably more midiclorians too, but I'm not sure. But Kyle has a plethora of different powers in comparison to Galen, many of which Galen will not use.

Anakin had more midiclorians than Kenobi but he still lost. That factor does not decide the battle.

Has Kyle shown anywhere near the sheer power over the Force that Galen has?

Originally posted by LLLLLink
God, Borat, try not to misunderstand everything, okay.

Im not saying that Vader LOST to Galen's lightning but that He WOULD LOSE to it. There is a difference. I hope you can see it.

This alone shows you clearly never played the game at all.

And im not "misunderstanding" anything, you clearly stated vader lost, not WOULD LOSE to galens lightning.

Heres your own quote :

Originally posted by LLLLLink
The only reason that Galen beat Vader is because of the force lightning he uses.

^ Enough said, stop arguing like a broken record.

It is true that Kyle has shown more variety of force powers than Galen, however, in terms of sheer might in the techniques galen uses utterly render Katarn's variety largely useless... Kyle's Force grip for example is almost non existant compared to galens, nor is Katarn's force lightning... or force push...

I mean Kyle has a wider variety of techniques, but seriously, if Galen can kill Kyle using only one or two, then it doesn't matter. Galen wins via force crush, fried by lightning or thrown into orbit.

or turning kyle into a tie fighter sandwich, assuming there are two ties lying around - mmmm, sandwich *drools*

Ok....First let me start by saying i am a bigger star wars fan than an actual gamer. I play tons of games, but Star wars is my claim to fame. I was a moderator on star wars.com believe me or not i don't care. The issue here is Galen vs Kyle.

Consider some things. Alot of you seem to think that Vader was the super most powerful guy ever. This is not true. Vader is less than half of what Anakin was.

Vader beat people (jedi) as anakin in the temple. fact
He also beat other jedi as machine vader. also fact

But the jedi he beat as machine vader, were nothing...NOTHING in terms of really powerful and/or skilled.

He beat weak jedi as machine. So for Galen to beat vader is no real big feat.

I have beat TFU and while Galen is good, and the game is eye candy, to say that he could beat kyle is alittle on the wishful thinking side.

And btw juyo is not six forms of combat. Galen is good no doubt about it, but to say he "tagged tie fighters out of the air" and things like he almost killed sidious is laughable at best and down right stupid in all actuality

all of these were directed at me so ill answer

Originally posted by Maester_yoda
And btw juyo is not six forms of combat.

Originally posted by Maester_yoda
Galen is good no doubt about it, but to say he "tagged tie fighters out of the air"

Originally posted by Maester_yoda
and things like he almost killed sidious is laughable at best and down right stupid in all actuality

what i meant was that juyo needed mastery of the other forms in order to master it as well
source = wookiepedia
As far as your source of knowledge only coming from the research of others, i will humor you. I just read the entire Form VII: Juyo/Vapaad section in Wookieepedia. Jedi battlemaster Cin Drallig said that to master it or use it effectively one must have master many other forms, not all prior, and most certainly you don't even have to master one to be able to use Juyo. Jax Pavan in the coruscant nights 3 book series used Juyo. Vader uses some form of Juyo. None of these had any mention on mastering all other forms. While Galen did use this form, one could argue he was not the most proficient lightsaber duelist. Also if you read the entire article of Form VII, which i doubt you did, it also says that whoever uses this form is more susceptible to force attacks.

um - that actually happens if you play the game 😬
I did play and beat the game, and im sorry i cant remember when he did this. I don't doubt maybe he did, i just have forgot. When and where did this take place?

Kyle is known for being able to go 20X's his normal speed if i remeber correctly in Jedi Knight II Jedi Outcast. So fast that Laser bolds coming from a stormtroopers gun seemed to be standing still.

Let me also say that while i myself have added to wookieepedia, alot of it is still fansub. that was one of my jobs as a moderator on starwars.com. i helped fansub ideas that were not true, become pointed out and removed. If Wookieepedia is your only source of Star wars knowledge then congradulations on letting all of us do the work in reading and researching the material so people like you can refer to it to try to win an arguement

also let me fight fire with fire. This is from your precious wookieepedia

"Marek's skill with the lightsaber was also great enough for him to defeat all of PROXY's training programs replicating legendary duelists such as Obi-Wan Kenobi and Darth Maul, as well as such actual duelists like Shaak Ti and Darth Vader.[8] However, it should be noted that despite his abilities of wielding a lightsaber, he could only defeat these opponents with the use of his Force powers, which were outstanding. "

Oh, would you look at that! I was right........again.

Originally posted by Maester_yoda
As far as your source of knowledge only coming from the research of others

Originally posted by Maester_yoda
i will humor you. I just read the entire Form VII: Juyo/Vapaad section in Wookieepedia. Jedi battlemaster Cin Drallig said that to master it or use it effectively one must have master many other forms, not all prior and most certainly you don't even have to master one to be able to use Juyo.

Originally posted by Maester_yoda
Also if you read the entire article of Form VII, which i doubt you did, it also says that whoever uses this form is more susceptible to force attacks.

Originally posted by Maester_yoda
I did play and beat the game, and im sorry i cant remember when he did this. I don't doubt maybe he did, i just have forgot. When and where did this take place?

Originally posted by Maester_yoda
Kyle is known for being able to go 20X's his normal speed if i remeber correctly in Jedi Knight II Jedi Outcast. So fast that Laser bolds coming from a stormtroopers gun seemed to be standing still.

Originally posted by Maester_yoda
Let me also say that while i myself have added to wookieepedia, alot of it is still fansub. that was one of my jobs as a moderator on starwars.com. i helped fansub ideas that were not true, become pointed out and removed. If Wookieepedia is your only source of Star wars knowledge then congradulations on letting all of us do the work in reading and researching the material so people like you can refer to it to try to win an arguement

all of this aside - i still think marek wins...all he has to do is finish kyle off with a single powerful force attack - hell, might not even come to sabers..

Oh, would you look at that! I was right........again.

Originally posted by Maester_yoda
Ok....First let me start by saying i am a bigger star wars fan than an actual gamer. I play tons of games, but Star wars is my claim to fame. I was a moderator on star wars.com believe me or not i don't care. The issue here is Galen vs Kyle.

Ok...let's see how good your knowledge is.

Originally posted by Maester_yoda

Consider some things. Alot of you seem to think that Vader was the super most powerful guy ever. This is not true. Vader is less than half of what Anakin was.

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Sure he might be somewhat weaker than Anakin, but he's still VERY powerful.

Originally posted by Maester_yoda

Vader beat people (jedi) as anakin in the temple. fact
He also beat other jedi as machine vader. also fact

But the jedi he beat as machine vader, were nothing...NOTHING in terms of really powerful and/or skilled.

He killed Obi Wan (don't say "oh that's because Obi Wan let him die!!!" because this canon book says that Vader was driving Obi Wan back), one of the greatest Jedi in the history of the order.

Originally posted by Maester_yoda

He beat weak jedi as machine. So for Galen to beat vader is no real big feat.

Obi Wan is not a weak Jedi.

Originally posted by Maester_yoda

I have beat TFU and while Galen is good, and the game is eye candy, to say that he could beat kyle is alittle on the wishful thinking side.

HOW? You haven't actually stated anything involving how Kyle somehow wins.

Originally posted by Maester_yoda

And btw juyo is not six forms of combat. Galen is good no doubt about it, but to say he "tagged tie fighters out of the air" and things like he almost killed sidious is laughable at best and down right stupid in all actuality

You haven't actually provided an argument of any kind. Galen beat Vader, took down AT-AT with TK, redirected a falling SD, etc.

Kyle got beaten by Caedus even when he had 3 jedi on his side.

Originally posted by LLLLLink
Oh, would you look at that! I was right........again.

How? Because someone agrees with you?

In the book, Galen destroys a skyscraper that reach's orbit by creating a localised earthquake in the structure with the Force.

....But yeah he's totally weaksauce.

[QUOTE=12364746]Originally posted by Hewhoknowsall
[B]Ok...let's see how good your knowledge is.

try me...

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Sure he might be somewhat weaker than Anakin, but he's still VERY powerful.

somewhat weaker?? my friend the Vader we see in episode 4-6 is a much weaker version of the one we see in episode 3.

He killed Obi Wan (don't say "oh that's because Obi Wan let him die!!!" because this canon book says that Vader was driving Obi Wan back), one of the greatest Jedi in the history of the order.

He defeated on OLD man who had not done anything as far as training for the past 20 years. In another book that came out in 1978 by Alan Dean Foster titled Splinter of the Minds Eye, the spirit of Obi-wan came on Luke when Veder confronted him in a jungle ruin type atmosphere. After Luke drives Vader back, the Spirit of Obi-wan says he could have beat him at the death star, but his body was to old - Canon

Obi Wan is not a weak Jedi.

No he wasn't, but age hurts im afraid

HOW? You haven't actually stated anything involving how Kyle somehow wins.

Thats because im trying to lay a foundation for Galen not being as super powreful as some seem to think

You haven't actually provided an argument of any kind. Galen beat Vader, took down AT-AT with TK, redirected a falling SD, etc.

Kyle got beaten by Caedus even when he had 3 jedi on his side.

I don't have time to get into how i believe that by the time Valin Horn became a jedi that the order was somewhat weakened. Also we are talking about VIDEO GAME kyle. Not future Kyle

honestly - just about any place where you are force to fight a tie fighter..

Oh so your saying Galen could catch up to tie fighters who are inside other ships or still in the hanger....not full speed outside. Ok i will give you that

most jedi have been described (in any media- including books) to move that fast not a huge deal...even grievous was shown to move that fast..

..........Yet we don't see Galen doing it

Originally posted by Nephthys
In the book, Galen destroys a skyscraper that reach's orbit by creating a localised earthquake in the structure with the Force.

....But yeah he's totally weaksauce.

Im amazed at how easily impressed some of you are with Force feats. Just because we don't see it in a movie, or our imaginations can't grasp what a novelization is trying to tell us, we see one cool looking force feat and immediately assume it can't be done anywhere else by anyone else and whoever did that feat is the strongest person in the galaxy.

Pleeeaaaseee look past the eye candy for a moment. Using the force to tear a skyscraper that was already top heavy is no super feat.

How about Rahm Kota surviving that fall? I know we are not talking about him, but please don't be so impressed at feats like that. We are not talking about who can do the biggest baddest Force attack but who would win in a duel.

Some of you are of the mind set that Galen will just lift up his hand, send a huge force attack out and bam Kyle is dead. Did galen beat any jedi just by doing that? no. there was a duel first. True Galen won all, but against Sidious. But look at every one that Kyle beat. While he was still a "padawan" if you would he beat Seven well trained Dark Jedi.

Kyle was trained by an ancient Jedi Holocron from a master from the days of the army of Light. Back when Lightsaber combat and force feats were common place in combat.

Kyle utilizes a plethora of Force powers that Galen does not.

Im not saying Gelen is weak. He is rather strong. But please for the sake of fair arguments, look at this with an open mind and not some personal attack against your favorite star wars character.

Kyle has proven time and time again he is a Master Swordsman with many force powers to back him up

How? Because someone agrees with you?

.......no. I am right because I spoke it.

Originally posted by Maester_yoda
Oh so your saying Galen could catch up to tie fighters who are inside other ships or still in the hanger....not full speed outside. Ok i will give you that

Originally posted by Maester_yoda
..........Yet we don't see Galen doing it

Originally posted by Maester_yoda
Im amazed at how easily impressed some of you are with Force feats. Just because we don't see it in a movie, or our imaginations can't grasp what a novelization is trying to tell us, we see one cool looking force feat and immediately assume it can't be done anywhere else by anyone else and whoever did that feat is the strongest person in the galaxy.

Originally posted by Maester_yoda
Using the force to tear a skyscraper that was already top heavy is no super feat.

Originally posted by Maester_yoda
We are not talking about who can do the biggest baddest Force attack but who would win in a duel.

Originally posted by Maester_yoda
Some of you are of the mind set that Galen will just lift up his hand, send a huge force attack out and bam Kyle is dead. Did galen beat any jedi just by doing that?

Originally posted by Maester_yoda
Kyle was trained by an ancient Jedi Holocron from a master from the days of the army of Light. Back when Lightsaber combat and force feats were common place in combat.

Originally posted by Maester_yoda
Kyle utilizes a plethora of Force powers that Galen does not.

Originally posted by Maester_yoda
Im not saying Gelen is weak. He is rather strong. But please for the sake of fair arguments, look at this with an open mind and not some personal attack against your favorite star wars character.

Originally posted by Maester_yoda
Kyle has proven time and time again he is a Master Swordsman with many force powers to back him up

Originally posted by Maester_yoda

Consider some things. Alot of you seem to think that Vader was the super most powerful guy ever. This is not true. Vader is less than half of what Anakin was.

Originally posted by Maester_yoda

But the jedi he beat as machine vader, were nothing...NOTHING in terms of really powerful and/or skilled.

HAH, i forgot how he killed a jedi that was able to walk through walls(the dark woman), he choked rahm kota and ragdolled him, a jedi that could match starkiller and tore space stations apart, he was powerful enough to smash through a giant structure with one force move while ragdolling force pwning galens father.

Originally posted by Maester_yoda
He beat weak jedi as machine. So for Galen to beat vader is no real big feat.
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If vader is as weak as a piece of shit you say he is, why did the developers put him as the final boss?

Your not a SW fan, your a n00b acting like you know anything about star wars, vader is FAR more powerful than you think he is, if he is as weak as you say he is, why did sidious, the most powerful sith lord bother keeping him as his apprentice?

And really, stop using wookiepedia as a source, anybody can edit it anytime so its better you use real sources.

Oh and just to remind you, vader is capable of choking his opponents from millions of light years away(the bounty hunter wars), lets not forget how the ancient sith even built a frigging throne for vader on korriban(source, Empires end).

And the ancient sith only respect people with great power.