actually i have never been on the SWvs on this site. 😄
As far as the only person winning is the one who has the bigger feats, thats stupid, but oh well im glad i just visited the site and don't intend to stay.
Here is why i think Kyle edges out....
Kyle has an ability called Force absorb which allows him for a brief period of time to basically use the force to tank an all out attack. He also has demonstrated that he can block force pushes from other force users. My main approach to the fight was to try and get people to understand that while Galen had an awesome amount of Force energy and skill, his feats were not above reproach. I kept hearing how Galen would own kyle with a force crunch or whatever.
In my opinion this is how the fight would play out.
Galen would try to tear kyle apart at a distance with the force. Kyle would get thrown around probably but manage to survive. Galen would then try to force lightning Kyle into submission. Kyle would either absorb or block Galen's lightning with his own. Then kyle would close the gap with force speed to make it a lightsaber duel. Because Galen probably could over time wear kyle out enough with the force to beat him. Kyle's strong point is saber dueling. Galen couldnt just pick kyle up either with grap because kyle can force push his way out. Maybe if kyle was battered alittle more Galen could grab him up.
Anyway, now kyle is close to galen and they are fighting. Kyle's lightnig attack that he has is very comparable to Galens, although kyle only uses one hand and holds the saber with the other.
It would be an awesome duel, but in kyles fashion he would not leave Galen alone long enough for Galen to pull a huge push or a powerful repulse. The repulse would help Galen, but if its not a good strength then i don't see it happening. Imo Kyle is a better duelist.
While the battle goes on, both contestants need to draw on the force to survive and keep going. This is where we see the light side vs the dark side. If the contestants are both fairly even, and the battle drags on, then Kyle will be using his force heal ability. It draws on the lightside to focus and restore. Galen on the other hand has never shown any affinity with healing, also its not the sith way. THey see it as a sign of weakness. So Galen would be drawing on his rage and hatred to keep him going, using the darkside. The problem here is what basically happened to Obi-wan and Anakin. The Power of the darkside and the more you draw on its power to keep going, the more blinded you become and make stupid decisions.
Not that Galen would be just stupid but Kyle would have a more level head and would in fact be more rejuvenated. In the end Galen would unleash one final force attack in typical Galen fashion, and because Kyle has healed and is drawing on the light sides power, and has his own bit of force protection, force push, force heal, force speed. Kyle survives and goes in for a finishing saber kill.
But i only give it to kyle maybe 65 - 70% of the time.
In the other 30% rendering of the battle, kyle dies when Galen uses his final Force attack
Also i thought you would find this funny, in the cheats for the force unleashed, to unlock all force mastery you type in the code KATARN
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Originally posted by BoratBorat
Oh piss off already, nobody gives a damn what a nub cake like you thinks."Kyle would get thrown about and survive"? How do you know that? Or are you pulling this out of your arse?
you are an idiot that does not deserve me explaining anything to you. All you do is bash people and think you are cool doing it. I could care less what you say or think. all you have done is jump in and insulted and tried to look cool. in all reality all you have done is look like an idiot who knows nothing and wants people to think you are funny and cool. nobody here respects you or your opinions. so please shut up and leave. Thanks!
Yeah because telling you to piss off after your snide remarks is bashing.
And knows nothing? Wait, this is the internet, i don't have to prove anything to a keyboard warrior.
You came here thinking you could be taken seriously by telling everyone how you were a mod at SW and your intelligence is telling us a different story, you obviously have no knowledge of SW and you try to tell everyone that disagrees with you that they are idiots.
So any one that points our your apparant stupidity is trying to look cool? So far your the only one attracting attention by brining in irrelevant details about yourself, your the one trying to look cool, not me.
And no, i could care less what people think of me because this is zeh intranet!! Enough of youe l33t speek fruit cake.
I am done rambling with a pigeon.
Originally posted by BoratBorat
Yeah because telling you to piss off after your snide remarks is bashing.And knows nothing? Wait, this is the internet, i don't have to prove to you anything to a keyboard warrior.
You came here thinking you could be taken seriously by telling everyone how you were a mod at SW and your intelligence is telling us a different story, you obviously have no knowledge of SW and you try to tell everyone that disagrees with you are idiots.
So any one that points our your apparant stupidity is trying to look cool? So far your the only one attracting attention by brining in irrelevant details about yourself, your the one trying to look cool, not me.
And no, i could care less what people think of me because this is zeh intranet!! Enough of youe l33t speek fruit cake.
I am done rambling with a pigeon.
haha that was a good one! keep going 😱
Kyle has an ability called Force absorb which allows him for a brief period of time to basically use the force to tank an all out attack.
In that case Glen would just pimpslap his ass with thrown objects like he did to Vader.
He also has demonstrated that he can block force pushes from other force users.
Force users who are as strong as Marek? Marek who at one point blew apart literally hundreds of droids with a single force-wave. Trying to actually block Mareks attacks would just be a good way to exhaust his force reserves. Real force battle aren't DnD spell-level type things, if a person is stronger in the force than their opponent they can overwhelm their defences and d nasty things to them, which is what happens here.
Kyle would get thrown around probably but manage to survive.
Galen could probably explode his head.
Imo Kyle is a better duelist.
I'd say they're about equal. Galens swordsmanship is stated as being 'near perfect' in one source. He was also able to duel Shaak Ti (one of the jedi order's premier battlebeasts) to a stalemate. She found it necessary to commit suicide just to hit him. Utilising masterful force control he telekinetically blocks her lightsaber on the killing stroke as she falls upon his, even though he just received 2 wounds in rapid succession. There's also a nice desciption of his fight with PROXY which gives him major kudos.
This is where we see the light side vs the dark side.
They're both kinda more nuetral imo.
The Power of the darkside and the more you draw on its power to keep going, the more blinded you become and make stupid decisions.
Funny how Galen has never made a bad decision mid-battle though.
Not that Galen would be just stupid but Kyle would have a more level head and would in fact be more rejuvenated.
This being the Kyle Katarn who suicide-charges a Dark Jedi armed with nothing but a gun and no force powers at one point? He gets curbstomped iirc.
Bottom-line? Kyle is good, but Starkiller is better.
Originally posted by Maester_yoda
actually i have never been on the SWvs on this site. 😄As far as the only person winning is the one who has the bigger feats, thats stupid, but oh well im glad i just visited the site and don't intend to stay.
Here is why i think Kyle edges out....
Originally posted by Maester_yodaunless marek throws something like a building or giant steel pipe, kinda like the one used to kill desann (canon-wise)
Kyle has an ability called Force absorb which allows him for a brief period of time to basically use the force to tank an all out attack. He also has demonstrated that he can block force pushes from other force users. My main approach to the fight was to try and get people to understand that while Galen had an awesome amount of Force energy and skill, his feats were not above reproach. I kept hearing how Galen would own kyle with a force crunch or whatever.
Originally posted by Maester_yodaheres your biggest mistake - you DONT pull scenario's out of you ass to make your argument sound impressive - it NEVER works
In my opinion this is how the fight would play out.
Originally posted by Maester_yoda
Galen would try to tear kyle apart at a distance with the force. Kyle would get thrown around probably but manage to survive.
Originally posted by Maester_yodaneither of which would work, as marek has overpowered stronger jedi with lightning before..
Galen would then try to force lightning Kyle into submission. Kyle would either absorb or block Galen's lightning with his own.
Originally posted by Maester_yodawear kyle out? he would push kyle to exhaustion with a single force attack, at the very least..kyle has never been shown to survive anything as powerful as marek
Then kyle would close the gap with force speed to make it a lightsaber duel. Because Galen probably could over time wear kyle out enough with the force to beat him.
Originally posted by Maester_yodapush outside of the jedi knight series has never stopped someone choking the crap out someone else - therefor, its non-canon...imagine all of the crap that could have been resolved because obi-wan used that trick on dooku in ROTS 😬
Kyle's strong point is saber dueling. Galen couldnt just pick kyle up either with grap because kyle can force push his way out. Maybe if kyle was battered alittle more Galen could grab him up.
Originally posted by Maester_yodathey're only close because of your retarded scenario..more importantly, marek block the emperor's lightning..wtf is kyle gonna do with his?
Anyway, now kyle is close to galen and they are fighting. Kyle's lightnig attack that he has is very comparable to Galens, although kyle only uses one hand and holds the saber with the other.
Originally posted by Maester_yoda
It would be an awesome duel, but in kyles fashion he would not leave Galen alone long enough for Galen to pull a huge push or a powerful repulse. The repulse would help Galen, but if its not a good strength then i don't see it happening. Imo Kyle is a better duelist.
Originally posted by Maester_yodaconsidering they are both neutral in the force, no
While the battle goes on, both contestants need to draw on the force to survive and keep going. This is where we see the light side vs the dark side.
Originally posted by Maester_yodamarek fought off shak ti - shows you what good her light side was in terms of helping her in combat...also, thats not entirely true, when someone masters the darkside they dont make stupid reckless decisions..even those who tapped into the power of the darkside only once (like qui-gon) stated that using the dark side sharpened their focus and their ability in battle..
If the contestants are both fairly even, and the battle drags on, then Kyle will be using his force heal ability. It draws on the lightside to focus and restore. Galen on the other hand has never shown any affinity with healing, also its not the sith way
They see it as a sign of weakness. So Galen would be drawing on his rage and hatred to keep him going, using the darkside. The problem here is what basically happened to Obi-wan and Anakin. The Power of the darkside and the more you draw on its power to keep going, the more blinded you become and make stupid decisions.
Originally posted by Maester_yodatheres so much wrong with this i dont know where to start..
Not that Galen would be just stupid but Kyle would have a more level head and would in fact be more rejuvenated. In the end Galen would unleash one final force attack in typical Galen fashion, and because Kyle has healed and is drawing on the light sides power, and has his own bit of force protection, force push, force heal, force speed. Kyle survives and goes in for a finishing saber kill.
2. the fight would have ended long before either party reached this point in your scenario
3. kyle doesnt survive - he has never withstood anything like what marek could throw at him
Originally posted by Maester_yodanope
But i only give it to kyle maybe 65 - 70% of the time.
Originally posted by Maester_yodakyle dies when galen uses his ONLY force attack maybe..
In the other 30% rendering of the battle, kyle dies when Galen uses his final Force attack
Originally posted by Maester_yodathe cheat i sent back in my PM was better
Also i thought you would find this funny, in the cheats for the force unleashed, to unlock all force mastery you type in the code KATARN
maester - if you are not going to post an intelligent argument kindly stop posting 😬
Originally posted by Maester_yoda
[QUOTE=12364746]Originally posted by Hewhoknowsall
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Sure he might be somewhat weaker than Anakin, but he's still VERY powerful.
somewhat weaker?? my friend the Vader we see in episode 4-6 is a much weaker version of the one we see in episode 3.
He killed Obi Wan (don't say "oh that's because Obi Wan let him die!!!" because this canon book says that Vader was driving Obi Wan back), one of the greatest Jedi in the history of the order.
He defeated on OLD man who had not done anything as far as training for the past 20 years. In another book that came out in 1978 by Alan Dean Foster titled Splinter of the Minds Eye, the spirit of Obi-wan came on Luke when Veder confronted him in a jungle ruin type atmosphere. After Luke drives Vader back, the Spirit of Obi-wan says he could have beat him at the death star, but his body was to old - Canon
Obi Wan is not a weak Jedi.
No he wasn't, but age hurts im afraid
HOW? You haven't actually stated anything involving how Kyle somehow wins.
Thats because im trying to lay a foundation for Galen not being as super powreful as some seem to think
You haven't actually provided an argument of any kind. Galen beat Vader, took down AT-AT with TK, redirected a falling SD, etc.
Kyle got beaten by Caedus even when he had 3 jedi on his side.
I don't have time to get into how i believe that by the time Valin Horn became a jedi that the order was somewhat weakened. Also we are talking about VIDEO GAME kyle. Not future Kyle
Vader said that Obi Wan was still a challenging duelist and that one mistake on Vader's part could spell Vader's doom. So Obi Wan was still close to Vader. So:
Vader >= Obi Wan
Vader defeated all of the jedi in the conclave of Kessel. So Vader has shown to be able to defeat several Jedi at once. He has also shown many other powerful feats.
And you don't want to include future Kyle? That's rather strange, given that LOTF Kyle >>> earlier Kyles...but OK.