cyclops vs superman

Originally posted by Juk3n
Obviously, i wouldnt make a thread and intentionaly put superman in a body he's completley unfamiliar with..that would be retarded and anyone assuming so would be a retard.

But i'll clarify, Superman gets an identical body to cyclops and is comfortable and feels like it's his own body.

Scott has the same body.... Without the optic blasts....
Superman has a differen sized body without any of the physical attributes he is used to... And let's not forget that all this bs about how supermans kryptonian body is the same as a humans is bs. His mind as a jryptonians works faster to allow for the super attributes and mind,...

Superman has no idea what it would be like to be limited not just physically but mentally also....

Originally posted by rotiart
You can't prove that.
Besides what human stands in a certain suns gravity and experiences superpowers like superman. You have no idea what the results would be. At best you can say they are similar but not that they are equal... And even depowered there aren't great showings of supermans fighting skills

you can assume he is similar... But a regular human but he could be more or even less durable... Stronger or even weaker... Similar is not the same at all

yes i can, based on the dozens of issues showing him without powers fucntioning like a normal human.

Originally posted by Juk3n
Obviously, i wouldnt make a thread and intentionaly put superman in a body he's completley unfamiliar with..that would be retarded and anyone assuming so would be a retard.

But i'll clarify, Superman gets an identical body to cyclops and is comfortable and feels like it's his own body.

ah, ok.

Originally posted by rotiart
nO matter how you slice it Superman is gonna feel hindered... His powers are his physical attributes... Str, speed agility flight and durability...

Scott has the same body.... Without the optic blasts....
Superman has a differen sized body without any of the physical attributes he is used to... And let's not forget that all this bs about how supermans kryptonian body is the same as a humans is bs. His mind as a jryptonians works faster to allow for the super attributes and mind,...

Superman has no idea what it would be like to be limited not just physically but mentally also....

yes he does. when he was superman blue, he was powerless clark kent all the time. before he married lois he was powerless for a long time.

* so who's a$$ would be kicked then? i think this is a hard theme for PR since both are his fave characters... 😄

Originally posted by rotiart
nO matter how you slice it Superman is gonna feel hindered... His powers are his physical attributes... Str, speed agility flight and durability...

Scott has the same body.... Without the optic blasts....
Superman has a differen sized body without any of the physical attributes he is used to... And let's not forget that all this bs about how supermans kryptonian body is the same as a humans is bs. His mind as a jryptonians works faster to allow for the super attributes and mind,...

Superman has no idea what it would be like to be limited not just physically but mentally also....

You're reading to much into this. Heres the short version. There should be no argument after this.. are you ready?

It's my thread
It's my/forum rules
I say Superman is completely comfortable in this new body, his mind is totally at ease, he feels better than ever infact. He hasnt got his powers, but he's got the same brain/skills learned and physically he's in an exact replica of Cyke's body. So there is no disadvantage there. It's a skill battle, thats all it is.

Easy as pie to follow, only someone with some sort of mental ..blah blah

Not that im saying you're a mentalist or anything.

Well maybe just a little, afterall you are the ONLY one in this thread who see's an issue that isnt there.

Cyke ftw

Originally posted by -Pr-
yes i can, based on the dozens of issues showing him without powers fucntioning like a normal human.

ah, ok.

yes he does. when he was superman blue, he was powerless clark kent all the time. before he married lois he was powerless for a long time.

Cyclops may have defeated a few random street thugs there who apparently had no idea how to fight. See the guy trying to pull the piece? He runs over and falls on his own homey by himself and skids his face across the ground. Had that guy been halfway competent Cyke would have had more shiny in his mouth than Paul Wall.

Clark put it to Lex, who is trained in multiple martial arts by some of the best trainers a person can buy. Lex held his own against amazon warriors in hand to hand before[Hope and Mercy]. Have some better examples?

Originally posted by Juntai
Cyclops may have defeated a few random street thugs there who apparently had no idea how to fight. See the guy trying to pull the piece? He runs over and falls on his own homey by himself and skids his face across the ground. Had that guy been halfway competent Cyce would have had more shiny in his mouth than Paul Wall.

Clark put it to Lex, who is trained in multiple martial arts by some of the best trainers a person can buy. Lex held his own against amazon warriors in hand to hand before[Hope and Mercy]. Have some better examples?

Beating 6 grown men with his eyes closed isn't good enough for you? If you have scans of Superman doing something more impressive, please post them.

Originally posted by TheKahn
Beating 6 grown men with his eyes closed isn't good enough for you? If you have scans of Superman doing something more impressive, please post them.

Besides the Lex one I mentioned while powerless?

JLA #23, he’s winning against a never-ending mob when powerless.
JLA: FOREIGN BODIES while depowered from body-swapping, he defeats Kobra, a top notch Martial Artist.
SUPERMAN #153 he takes-out Maxima with pressure-point attacks and impressive technical striking.
SUPERMAN/BATMAN #23: While powerless he paralyzes Batman’s body with pressure point strikes.
TRINITY #13: He takes on Ultraman and Superwoman and still beats them, including beating down Ultraman with technical strikes and pressure point attacks.
SUPERMAN: WORLD OF NEW KRYPTON #3: Superman lets the Kryptonian Gor smack him around a bit to gauge his ability. Then Gor claims he won. Superman states, “Beaten? I’m only getting started. We may have the same powers—-but I was taught hand-to-hand combat by Earth’s greatest proponent. He also taught me to learn my opponent’s weaknesses. You don’t have a clue about my capabilities yet, Gor……but you’ve shown me your whole catalogue.” Then he completely and utterly owns Gor with casual ease, three pressure point strikes then a punch and Gor’s down.

Granted, some examples are with powers, but against characters in his range in these cases, and did so with impressive striking/grappling and overall hand to hand technique, rather than relying on raw power. And this is just some examples if you dig through his archives.

Originally posted by Juntai
Superman's fighting prowess shouldn't be questioned.

Besides the Lex one I mentioned while powerless?

JLA #23, he’s winning against a never-ending mob when powerless.
JLA: FOREIGN BODIES while depowered from body-swapping, he defeats Kobra, a top notch Martial Artist.
SUPERMAN #153 he takes-out Maxima with pressure-point attacks and impressive technical striking.
SUPERMAN/BATMAN #23: While powerless he paralyzes Batman’s body with pressure point strikes.
TRINITY #13: He takes on Ultraman and Superwoman and still beats them, including beating down Ultraman with technical strikes and pressure point attacks.
SUPERMAN: WORLD OF NEW KRYPTON #3: Superman lets the Kryptonian Gor smack him around a bit to gauge his ability. Then Gor claims he won. Superman states, “Beaten? I’m only getting started. We may have the same powers—-but I was taught hand-to-hand combat by Earth’s greatest proponent. He also taught me to learn my opponent’s weaknesses. You don’t have a clue about my capabilities yet, Gor……but you’ve shown me your whole catalogue.” Then he completely and utterly owns Gor with casual ease, three pressure point strikes then a punch and Gor’s down.

Granted, some examples are with powers, but against characters in his range in these cases, and did so with impressive striking/grappling and overall hand to hand technique, rather than relying on raw power. And this is just some examples if you dig through his archives.

Ok. Please post the scans of the powerless fights you listed above. The ones in which he can depend on his super-speed/strength/durability are not relevant in my mind. Its not that I doubt your veracity, I just want to see and judge them for myself with interpretation and context being what they are.

Originally posted by TheKahn
Ok. Please post the scans of the powerless fights you listed above. The ones in which he can depend on his super-speed/strength/durability are not relevant in my mind. Its not that I doubt your veracity, I just want to see and judge them for myself with interpretation and context being what they are.

Originally posted by Juntai
They're still entirely relevant when it's hand to hand prowess we're determining. Those are other times he's exhibited impressive martial arts skills, powers or not.

We'll just have to agree to disagree on that one. To me learning how to fight when you strength is measured is the hundreds of tons and your durability is high enough to withstand ground zero of a nuclear detonation, is quite different than learning how to fight effectively within the limits of a human body.

Originally posted by TheKahn
We'll just have to agree to disagree on that one. To me learning how to fight when you strength is measured is the hundreds of tons and your durability is high enough to withstand ground zero of a nuclear detonation, is quite different than learning how to fight effectively within the limits of a human body.

Originally posted by TheKahn
Ok. Please post the scans of the powerless fights you listed above. The ones in which he can depend on his super-speed/strength/durability are not relevant in my mind.

Durability?

Howsa about taking shots from a gunslinger Jonah Hex with Kryptonite bullets?

Bats infected with Krypto..

Let's see the scans of Cyclops taking bullets to the body.

Yeah we know, but CIKES CLOPS WINZ NOMADDER WAHT!!!!!!

lol, Superman deflected bullets with a garbage can lid?!? Also, Superman has always struck me as a slightly skilled brawler. In the majority of his fights hes slugging it out with whoever hes fighting. Cyke trains in the danger room with some pretty good h2h fighters. It just makes sense that he'd have to given his smaller powerset.

Originally posted by redhotrash
In the majority of his fights hes slugging it out with whoever hes fighting. Cyke trains in the danger room with some pretty good h2h fighters....

The Justice League ALSO have a training facility. 😐

Again how do you stop bullets with a trash can lid? Kind of calls the writing into question. And what pressure points are in the sternum?

The problem with Cyclops is that while we know he's a capable fighter, he just doesn't have the same number of on panel feats that Superman does. Yes, he took on six guys with his eyes closed, but they were just thugs. Yes, he was stated to have been Colossus' teacher when it came to judo, but how often have we seen cyclops do it himself? He's even been said to be the martial arts instructor at the institute, but again, we don't have the amount of on panel feats that will add susbtantial weight to the pro cyclops argument.

on the other hand:

superman HAS h2h feats. he's trained with batman, and regularly spars with wonder woman. he's trained with the rest of the justice league in their own facilities. whether powered or powerless, he has shown a definite amount of instances where he's used his hand to hand skills to devastating effect. sure, some were with his powers, but when the person he's fighting is in his strength and speed class, then it comes back down to skill.

superman just has the better feats, imo.

Indeed...Supes will always have the better feats. ✅

Originally posted by Mindset
I tried to watch Daredevil again and it still sucked.

I blame you, juk3n.

Suck on that.

yeah? well i blame you for Elektra and for Blade the musi..er.. i mean Blade 3.

Suck that down.