Originally posted by rotiart
no. i mean yellow. you said there are plenty of instances of kryptonians without superpowers... and since their superpower is derived from yellow sunlight... for your comment to be true... you would have to show me that not all kryptonians get superpowers from yellow sunlight.
what?
did you even read my post?
without yellow sunlight, kryptonians have no powers. when they're under a red sun, they lose all their powers and become comparable to humans.
Originally posted by rotiart
cyclops still has powers when he is not exposed to yellow sunlight.. he just is depowered...depowered is not equal to having no super powers.
and i agree that they are comparable... but there is no way to verify that they are the same.
he's not depowered. he can still absorb energy from other sources.
so you're saying depowered is just at a lower level of power rather than none?
they're about the same in strength/durability and speed.
Originally posted by -Pr-
he's not depowered. he can still absorb energy from other sources.so you're saying depowered is just at a lower level of power rather than none?
they're about the same in strength/durability and speed.
a human exposed to sunlight.. or not... has no chance of exhibiting super powers...
cyclops can run out of juice... or be prevented from access to his powers.. just like a kryptonian...
hence mutants and kryptonians can be depowered...
a regular human can not... because they are unpowered...
Originally posted by rotiart
a human exposed to sunlight.. or not... has no chance of exhibiting super powers...cyclops can run out of juice... or be prevented from access to his powers.. just like a kryptonian...
hence mutants and kryptonians can be depowered...
a regular human can not... because they are unpowered...
and?
to cut off cyclops you have to cut off all energy sources. he's not like superman.
a depowered kryptonian has no powers, though.
Originally posted by rotiart
okay but back to point.does anyone have scans of a depowered superman fighting?
just to get away from the argument... because most scans are gonna show a "powered" or "weakened" superman fighting.
when he fought superboy prime at the end of infinite crisis he had no powers. same as when he fought lex at the end of up, up and away. those scans of him with those gangmembers earlier were him with no powers too.
Originally posted by Juntai
Superman's fighting prowess shouldn't be questioned.Besides the Lex one I mentioned while powerless?
JLA #23, he’s winning against a never-ending mob when powerless.
JLA: FOREIGN BODIES while depowered from body-swapping, he defeats Kobra, a top notch Martial Artist.
SUPERMAN #153 he takes-out Maxima with pressure-point attacks and impressive technical striking.
SUPERMAN/BATMAN #23: While powerless he paralyzes Batman’s body with pressure point strikes.
TRINITY #13: He takes on Ultraman and Superwoman and still beats them, including beating down Ultraman with technical strikes and pressure point attacks.
SUPERMAN: WORLD OF NEW KRYPTON #3: Superman lets the Kryptonian Gor smack him around a bit to gauge his ability. Then Gor claims he won. Superman states, “Beaten? I’m only getting started. We may have the same powers—-but I was taught hand-to-hand combat by Earth’s greatest proponent. He also taught me to learn my opponent’s weaknesses. You don’t have a clue about my capabilities yet, Gor……but you’ve shown me your whole catalogue.” Then he completely and utterly owns Gor with casual ease, three pressure point strikes then a punch and Gor’s down.Granted, some examples are with powers, but against characters in his range in these cases, and did so with impressive striking/grappling and overall hand to hand technique, rather than relying on raw power. And this is just some examples if you dig through his archives.
which jla are you talking about... in jla #23 the ones i have.. he wasn't depowered in the issues i have? i don't think i have all of those other issues. do you have scans?
Originally posted by -Pr-
when he fought superboy prime at the end of infinite crisis he had no powers. same as when he fought lex at the end of up, up and away. those scans of him with those gangmembers earlier were him with no powers too.
the superboy prime is a good argument..
so is the lex one...
but the gang members isn't as good... the members were reluctant to fight him... they knew he was superman and were obviously afraid to fight him... hence one of the members saying... he's just one man... even teh person with the gun was reluctant to shoot... saying that he should still try...
and the bullet scan isn't a good one too, because superman has shown before that exposure to kryptonite doesn't always have the same affect to him... sometimes he resits it back... other times.. he almost dies..
when cyclops fought the thugs, they didn't know he was a mutant... he was just another man... there was no restraint with them.
Originally posted by rotiart
the superboy prime is a good argument..
so is the lex one...but the gang members isn't as good... the members were reluctant to fight him... they knew he was superman and were obviously afraid to fight him... hence one of the members saying... he's just one man... even teh person with the gun was reluctant to shoot... saying that he should still try...
and the bullet scan isn't a good one too, because superman has shown before that exposure to kryptonite doesn't always have the same affect to him... sometimes he resits it back... other times.. he almost dies..when cyclops fought the thugs, they didn't know he was a mutant... he was just another man... there was no restraint with them.
superman has beaten people with more skills than those thugs had, though.
Originally posted by rotiart
not sure which one that is sorry.
jla v3 #23. here's the cover:
superman is in a dream... and in it... states that his powers are fading in issue 22... wonder woman etc.. have all their powers already gone.. but superman's were still fading at the end of the issue. in the next issue..in it he gets overpowered... supposedly all his strength is gone..but this is in the dreamworld... not the real world.
until the dreamer.. michael.. dreams that superman is stronger than his enemy.. and suddenly superman is...
thank you for the reference.
Originally posted by rotiart
superman is in a dream... and in it... states that his powers are fading in issue 22... wonder woman etc.. have all their powers already gone.. but superman's were still fading at the end of the issue. in the next issue..in it he gets overpowered... supposedly all his strength is gone..but this is in the dreamworld... not the real world.
until the dreamer.. michael.. dreams that superman is stronger than his enemy.. and suddenly superman is...thank you for the reference.
sure, it isn't his best showing.
the fact remains that he still has decent h2h feats without powers.
and even with powers, when the other people ARE physically similar to him, he's still done well and shown skill.
Originally posted by -Pr-
sure, it isn't his best showing.the fact remains that he still has decent h2h feats without powers.
and even with powers, when the other people ARE physically similar to him, he's still done well and shown skill.
im simply trying to make the argument that some people are posting that superman stomps...
and i'm simply saying it isn't clear cut.
Originally posted by rotiart
im simply trying to make the argument that some people are posting that superman stomps...and i'm simply saying it isn't clear cut.
it's not a stomp, and it's not clear cut at all.
i still believe superman is the superior fighter, though. scott is technically gifted, but superman is more fluid, more adaptable than scott is because he's learned from a wider range of people.
and he does have more showings of skill, sadly, because they rarely show cyclops using h2h at all.