Originally posted by Zeuodin
If she were weaker as you are implying, her side would have fell first or not been lifted at all. You are rebutting comics? We are here to argue comics. And This is in the comic. There can be no rebuttal of the scan.
Lol. Way to be pedantic.
Simple truth, Wonder Woman has as many claims to being lesser than Supes, (including her own admission of this), as she does good showings against him (which include her whole arsenal, fighting skill and not just physical attributes)
CM has nothing other than and has never had anything other than the hallowed 'equal' status to Supes. (Except during the Golden Age, when he was actually superior.)
Originally posted by CosmicComet
Lol. Way to be pedantic.Simple truth, Wonder Woman has as many claims to being lesser than Supes, (including her own admission of this), as she does good showings against him (which include her whole arsenal, fighting skill and not just physical attributes)
CM has nothing other than and has never had anything other than the hallowed 'equal' status to Supes. (Except during the Golden Age, when he was actually superior.)
Originally posted by Zeuodin
Actually Diana has on panel explained why she's "lesser" Than Superman. She has explained that it is due to his range of abilities. Not their strength or durability of speed. The Simple Truth is, my answer with the Spectre plus Her fight with CM rebuttals everything you are spitting.
The spectre showing rebuttals, what, exactly?
Did we somewhere say she's NOT strong? Or is it the caption above that panel that you are somehow misinterpreting?
'Two of the most powerful'. Certainly not 'the two most'. She can have good showings against either, but other things are accounted for it other than physical characteristics.
She will never be shown to be able to arm wrestle either to a stalemate though will she? Of course not.
Originally posted by CosmicComet
The spectre showing rebuttals, what, exactly?Did we somewhere say she's NOT strong? Or is it the caption above that panel that you are somehow misinterpreting?
'Two of the most powerful'. Certainly not 'the two most'. She can have good showings against either, but other things are accounted for it other than physical characteristics.
She will never be shown to be able to arm wrestle either to a stalemate though will she? Of course not.
Originally posted by CosmicComet
The spectre showing rebuttals, what, exactly?Did we somewhere say she's NOT strong? Or is it the caption above that panel that you are somehow misinterpreting?
'Two of the most powerful'. Certainly not 'the two most'. She can have good showings against either, but other things are a rebuttled ccounted for it other than physical characteristics.
She will never be shown to be able to arm wrestle either to a stalemate though will she? Of course not.
You're so dense. You claimed that Superman needed CM and that Diana would have been inferior if she had been enlisted as help. He addressed the comment with a similar feat.
Something that might interest you.
In "The OMAC Project" where WW battled Superman. Blue Beetle finds the files of his friends (he himself is listed as an Genius 192 IQ).
Superman
Powers:
Strength (A-1)
Speed: (A-2)
Invulnerability: (A-1)
Flight: (A-1)
WonderWoman
Powers:
Strength: (A-1) 😄
Speed: (A-2)
Invulnerability: (A-1)
Flight: (A-2)
Originally posted by Batman-Prime
Something that might interest you.In "The OMAC Project" where WW battled Superman. Blue Beetle finds the files of his friends (he himself is listed as an Genius 192 IQ).
Superman
Powers:
Strength (A-1)
Speed: (A-2)
Invulnerability: (A-1)
Flight: (A-1)WonderWoman
Powers:
Strength: (A-1) 😄
Speed: (A-2)
Invulnerability: (A-1)
Flight: (A-2)
Originally posted by Omega Vision
So then I guess Speed: (A-1) is for speedsters only?
Maybe
Batman is:
Genius (no IQ number)
H2H: (A-1)
Martial Arts: (A-2)
Utility Belt (Tech Factor A-2)
Booster Gold (with Suit)
Powers: Flight (B-2)
Strength: (C-1)
Force Field (A-5)
Energy Ring (A-5)
The Files aren't completly seen. Those of Captain Marvel for example :/.
Originally posted by Konton
You're so dense. You claimed that Superman needed CM and that Diana would have been inferior if she had been enlisted as help. He addressed the comment with a similar feat.
A feat that is entirely an outlier and considering their history and Wonder Woman being consistently out muscled in encounters with Supes, its safe to say it means little.
She's near their league, we know that much. Sure, she and supes were both holding up Spectre momentarily, both looked to be struggling, but knowing what we do, its most likely that Wonder Woman was the one struggling more.
Sure, she fought admirably against Marvel in a fight for a while, he was still the one who looked physically stronger in that encounter, while her skills made up for it. It tells us nothing of how it would have played out if he didn't end up being lassoed after a distraction. Besides that, Marvel has since then fought off a Neron controlled JLA that included J'onn and Wonder Woman.
And were she equal to them, why then does her success against Superman rely on her inventory? She's already been knocked out by a mind controlled Superman and she has admitted inferiority to him. On the other hand, Eclipso controlled Supes couldn't even knock out Captain Marvel, and he's also never had the indignant need of having to admit inferiority to Superman and is never portrayed as anything less than equal on fair ground.
Seriously, there is no logic to her being equal with them. The biggest certainty is her superior fighting prowess, were that coupled with true equality in ability she would curb stomp either of them in a fight. (instead of just having a respectable showing.) She can't do that obviously.
Originally posted by CosmicComet
A feat that is entirely an outlier and considering their history and Wonder Woman being consistently out muscled in encounters with Supes, its safe to say it means little.She's near their league, we know that much. Sure, she and supes were both holding up Spectre momentarily, both looked to be struggling, but knowing what we do, its most likely that Wonder Woman was the one struggling more.
Sure, she fought admirably against Marvel in a fight for a while, he was still the one who looked physically stronger in that encounter, while her skills made up for it. It tells us nothing of how it would have played out if he didn't end up being lassoed after a distraction. Besides that, Marvel has since then fought off a Neron controlled JLA that included J'onn and Wonder Woman.
And were she equal to them, why then does her success against Superman rely on her inventory? She's already been knocked out by a mind controlled Superman and she has admitted inferiority to him. On the other hand, Eclipso controlled Supes couldn't even knock out Captain Marvel, and he's also never had the indignant need of having to admit inferiority to Superman and is never portrayed as anything less than equal on fair ground.
Seriously, there is no logic to her being equal with them. The biggest certainty is her superior fighting prowess, were that coupled with true equality in ability she would curb stomp either of them in a fight. (instead of just having a respectable showing.) She can't do that obviously.
What the hell are you talking about? CM's durability is what makes him hard to KO. He Ko's Superman because of his magic amped punches. Superman himself has stated that CM and Wonder Woman punch the same. You are trying to use mind controlled JLAers in hell as a feat for CM? And you want to ignore that history is not on your side.
Let's see.
Superman did not do well against Protex until He used heat. Flash had to Imp a white martian in order to KO him. All the others were KO'd by fire of some kind. Except Wonder Woman. She beat her White martian hand to hand.
Wonder Woman Stalemated CM before her upgrades. He was doing a lil better than her, but that was before 2 upgrades. Unless CM has gotten Upgrades, I'd say he and WW are pretty even in terms of strength.
I posted a scan of Superman and Wondy holding the Spectre and you want to speculate that She was struggling more than Superman? Well How about I speculate that CM was struggling more than Superman when they held the book of infinite pages. There. You see how easy that was. I just did what you did.