Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Far Superior to Thanos in strength.. Nah. I would be willing to concede he's slightly superior. Obviously I feel a base Thanos vs. base Supes in stength and Thanos comes out on top. That is IMO. As you say though, I don't have any lifting feats to base this on. I agree Sundipped pissed supes could pull some wins even in a KMC setting. No arguments there. The problem for me is Supes speed is easy negated by Thanos shields Thanos can blast while under protection of his shields. His shields as we've seen can stand up to a lot of punishment. Supes would have to work to break them and now we're looking at the sundip not being as strong as when the fight begins. He can also teleport, which again minimizes supes speed advantage and allows Thanos to keep his distance if he chooses. As you say I also don't see OWAW supes going down from one blast from thanos or even a few. I just believe they would certainly take their tole. Lastly, in regards to speed which is Supes main advantage in this fight.. We have someone who has super fast reflexes and been shown to deal with speed before. So, while supes speed, strength, combat ability get him a couple wins. Thanos shields, own durability, reflexes, teleportation, striking power/MA Skills, energy blasts & exotic powers pulls him a vast majority imo.
The thing is there is pure logic of my positions. I believe better speed trumps nearly everything. I know that Thanos can't attack while under his shields. Why do people continue to say this? Superman at his best won't get hit by Thanos. This is the truth. Superman at least gets a stalemate.
Originally posted by Omega VisionWhat did owaw Supes do that backs up your case?
Since it doesn't specify which OWAW Superman I'll say this:
Non-sundipped OWAW Superman gets 2/10, sundipped he gets 6/10.
He was crushed by Black Racer mind you and temporarily bested by Darkseid.
Originally posted by h1a8Di you have any proof he can't?
The thing is there is pure logic of my positions. I believe better speed trumps nearly everything. I know that Thanos can't attack while under his shields. Why do people continue to say this? Superman at his best won't get hit by Thanos. This is the truth. Superman at least gets a stalemate.
Originally posted by quanchi112
What did owaw Supes do that backs up your case?He was crushed by Black Racer mind you and temporarily bested by Darkseid. Di you have any proof he can't?
Originally posted by Omega VisionThanos can negate a speed advantage through tk/shields.
I'm not sure how either of those things are low showings. Black Racer and Darkseid are both above Superman.
He wins 2/10 because of his speed advantage. And 6/10 because he was clearly Thanos' superior in terms of strength when sundipped.
They aren't low showings but Superman has looked better outside of owaw against Seid. Just because he destroyed a few probes here and there don't assume he has a chance against Thanos.
I don't think he was more powerful while sundipped than Thanos. Thanos has the power to floor Galactus and own the Maker.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Thanos can negate a speed advantage through tk/shields.They aren't low showings but Superman has looked better outside of owaw against Seid. Just because he destroyed a few probes here and there don't assume he has a chance against Thanos.
I don't think he was more powerful while sundipped than Thanos. Thanos has the power to floor Galactus and own the Maker.
Originally posted by quanchi112All comics are the proof that Thanos can't attack with shields up. No comic shows this.
Di you have any proof he can't?
A lot of people assume that since Thanos has shields then he wins vs. Superman. Well shields don't make you win; they make you not lose. The moment Thanos drops his shields then Superman gets a good hit and combos him to ko. If Thanos refuses to drop his shield then Superman crumbles them under constant bombardment.
People assume that since Thanos can hurt SS and Thor with his punches then he can hurt Superman in the same manner. Well this is false since Superman at his best won't get hit by Thanos and Superman has better durability than both SS and Thor.
Superman will simply combo Thanos to ko when he gets an opening. Thus Superman wins.
Originally posted by Omega VisionGalactus felt it. Not saying he did any significant damage but to launch a well nourished Galactus is mighty impressive.
Once again neither of those things equate to him beating a sundipped Superman. The Galactus thing wasn't really a fight. Galactus was unharmed and immediately afterward Thanos paid for it.
If you're referring to Apokolips Now that was as far as I can tell the first time Superman has ever beaten Darkseid, up till then Darkseid was always his superior.
Also I accept that Thanos CAN negate the speed advantage but you have to understand that I gave SUperman 2/10 because he won't always be able to.
Supes also bfr'd him in his own comic as far as I can remember.
He stalemated Ds in countdown prior to the k-nite olsen thing. He stalemated Ds at the end of owaw.
Superman doesn't have the power to beat Thanos. Thanos is too durable and too powerful to lose to a regular Superman. If Thor wit the power gem failed to even seriously injure him then Superman has no chance.
Originally posted by h1a8He blasted with his shields up against Omega. Thanos can also use tk to negate his speed.
All comics are the proof that Thanos can't attack with shields up. No comic shows this.A lot of people assume that since Thanos has shields then he wins vs. Superman. Well shields don't make you win; they make you not lose. The moment Thanos drops his shields then Superman gets a good hit and combos him to ko. If Thanos refuses to drop his shield then Superman crumbles them under constant bombardment.
People assume that since Thanos can hurt SS and Thor with his punches then he can hurt Superman in the same manner. Well this is false since Superman at his best won't get hit by Thanos and Superman has better durability than both SS and Thor.
Superman will simply combo Thanos to ko when he gets an opening. Thus Superman wins.
Thanos can put him in force block any moment he wants to. Superman doesn't have the power or the durability to go rounds with Thanos.
hey quan, could you put up the scan of thor attacking that thanos clone after he thought he defeated mangog? not sure where it is but maybe you can get it faster. it would illustrate to swine flu the damage soak of thanos.
imo, the illumination stone, the chalice of ruins, and the map of all ending didn't amp the clone at all, it's powers combined were too magically create a death dealing wave across the universe not unlike the ALE. without the designate's tears it wasn't even fully activated (obviously)
Originally posted by psycho gundamJust a moment and I'll find it. Proof just bounces right off of h1.
hey quan, could you put up the scan of thor attacking that thanos clone after he thought he defeated mangog? not sure where it is but maybe you can get it faster. it would illustrate to swine flu the damage soak of thanos.imo, the illumination stone, the chalice of ruins, and the map of all ending didn't amp the clone at all, it's powers combined were too magically create a death dealing wave across the universe not unlike the ALE. without the designate's tears it wasn't even fully activated (obviously)
http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa41/quanchi112/Thor_vol2-526-024-11.jpg
http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa41/quanchi112/Thor_vol2-526-024-16.jpg
This is all the gear and power increase it took for Thor to best this Thanos clone.
http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa41/quanchi112/Thor_vol2-527-025-28.jpg
Originally posted by psycho gundamHere.
you missed the middle of that where thor attacks thanos, who just casually teleports back with a smile on his face.
http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa41/quanchi112/Thor_vol2-524-022-16.jpg
http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa41/quanchi112/Thor_vol2-524-022-17.jpg
http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa41/quanchi112/Thor_vol2-524-022-20.jpg
Now you owe me one.
😖hifty:
Originally posted by quanchi112you half-assed the first part buddy 😛
Here.http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa41/quanchi112/Thor_vol2-524-022-16.jpg
http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa41/quanchi112/Thor_vol2-524-022-17.jpg
http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa41/quanchi112/Thor_vol2-524-022-20.jpgNow you owe me one.
😖hifty:
Originally posted by quanchi112
What feats changed your mind?
His feats from OWAW and from FC.
During this time he has become a beast. They made him into an cosmical unbeatable force, an Superman who can achieve anything, he played on Thanos roof, if not higher and did damn well.
Don't get me wrong Quan, I don't know you well enough as a person, you seem like a funny fellow but I KNOW from some threads that one cannot hope to reason with you about Thanos. You will ignore all feats, demand even more and praise thanos feats more then they are worth. I'm not going into this, it's boring, sorry. Nevermind, Just wanted to share my opinion 😉.
