On the line:
"But only a Jedi Master was likely to know all three or be able to sustain them simultaneously across such a broad distance."
Nemesis is indeed correct on the fact that line does not say that any Jedi Master could do what Mara did. Attempts to bring up a specific Jedi Master like Colmen Trebor and make note of his ineptitude is a fallacy (hasty generalization) because it takes a specific example and applies it to a general rule.
To give a counter example...
1. Only a psychologist was likely to know all three abilities or be able to sustain them simultaneously across such a broad distance.
2. Some psychologists are dismissed in the academic community.
3. Therefore, the three tasks are easy because some psychologists are dismissed in the academic community.
On the side, if I were to put that into standard format, it would be shown to be an invalid syllogism.
The implication of the line is clear, only someone with the power and experience of a Jedi Master would likely be able to do this. That some Jedi Masters may be unable to accomplish such a feat is irrelevant to the statement since the statement makes no claim that the feat is easy or open to all Jedi Masters.
Implications are rarely clear, which is why they're implications; implicit versus explicit. The feat Mara accomplished was something that a Jedi Master could do. Coleman Trebor is a Jedi Master, and is still virtually unimpressive in the grand scheme of things. Having the abilities of "a Jedi Master" -- you'll also note that the statement did not imply that one had to be a particularly badass or adept Master -- does not give one the skill to take on Darth Vader, the greatest killer of Jedi Masters and their moms in recorded history.
Nemesis has utterly failed to present a case why Mara would be anything other than a distraction for Vader in the field of combat.
I can't help but notice that no counterexample of equal (or even equivalent) multitasking has been provided. To my knowledge this is the only example we're given of this kind of split in attention.
Also: Gideon, providing a "NO U" to Autokrat doesn't make me wrong. Look:
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Coleman Trebor is a Jedi Master, and is still virtually unimpressive in the grand scheme of things.
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[making]note of his ineptitude is a fallacy (hasty generalization) because it takes a specific example and applies it to a general rule.
For those keeping track at home, this is the second logical fallacy used by Gideon and the beginning of the fourth page where he ignores provided evidence for the de facto assumption that Vader wins.
Everyone seems to be forgeting about Luke and Sidious. Maybe Mara would be just enough of a distraction for Luke to take out Sidious and then take out Vader too? I mean Luke would've destroyed Vader in the movie if Sidious hadn't come in being all creepy. I would imagine Vader's height of power being somewhere shortly before he got his hand removed by Luke. That might give them the advantage they need to beat the two Sith.
Originally posted by BoratBoratTJ didn't say "height of his potential". "Height of his powers" means ANH was Vader's peak time in life for his powers' development. That doesn't equate to the highest they could ever be ever.
Did someone hack your account?And near the height of his powers? What are you talking about? Vader unlike luke and sidious NEVER achieved his full potential.
Originally posted by BoratBorat
Did someone hack your account?And near the height of his powers? What are you talking about? Vader unlike luke and sidious NEVER achieved his full potential.
Did someone take away your ability to read?
Height of his POTENTIAL was never achieved. Obviously. Believe it or not, i have at least an elementary knowledge of Star Wars.
What i SAID was the height of his POWERS, which is a completely different thing. Maybe YOUR account was hacked?