The TMNT in the comics are not low level crooks, they have done many of the exact same feats that other Marvel heroes have done, such as the fabled "bullet/laser" dodging. I'm surprised that people have many of their comics say that because they do that stuff early on. The problem is like Street Fighter, they have tons of media and comics is only a brief stroke of their showings. They still have a long canonical story and at Leonardo's peak he was taking out rat king, Utrom Shredder, and even Splinter at one point, he also beat Karai. He is heavily skilled and this would make a good match. Especially without superpowers, the problem isn't that they're overrated, quite the opposite actually. If someone on this forum isn't Marvel or DC they all of the sudden are weak. I remember arguing SF like that for ages before people understood.
Originally posted by Tha C-Master
The TMNT in the comics are not low level crooks, they have done many of the exact same feats that other Marvel heroes have done, such as the fabled "bullet/laser" dodging. I'm surprised that people have many of their comics say that because they do that stuff early on. The problem is like Street Fighter, they have tons of media and comics is only a brief stroke of their showings. They still have a long canonical story and at Leonardo's peak he was taking out rat king, Utrom Shredder, and even Splinter at one point, he also beat Karai. He is heavily skilled and this would make a good match. Especially without superpowers, the problem isn't that they're overrated, quite the opposite actually. If someone on this forum isn't Marvel or DC they all of the sudden are weak. I remember arguing SF like that for ages before people understood.
I love to see evidence for them. A a lot of people say similar, but never get around to proving it. Seems more like forum myth that they have these great feats, becuase from what I have seen from reading there comics thats hardly the case.
hell in the old ones mikey not even a fully develope character, not even sure he had a name for most of volume one.
The fact that Mikey was or wasn't a fully developed character doesn't mean they didn't have feats. Everyone knows Leo and Raph are the bigger characters in the story. But I'll be happy to find your scans. I'm at work so give me time. The comics *are* hard to come by and are very expensive. I do agree that the later series has better showings for them as they're more experienced and flushed out. Which is why I said comics only is a great match. It's like comic SF, many characters who are on average much stronger in their universe are weaker in most showings. Canonically Leonardo is definitely capable.
http://www.ninjaturtles.com/comics/mirage/one/pg04.htm
http://www.ninjaturtles.com/comics/mirage/one/pg05.htm
They were being shot at in the very first fight in the very first volume of the very first comic. 😬
Originally posted by Tha C-Master
The fact that Mikey was or wasn't a fully developed character doesn't mean they didn't have feats. Everyone knows Leo and Raph are the bigger characters in the story. But I'll be happy to find your scans. I'm at work so give me time. The comics *are* hard to come by and are very expensive. I do agree that the later series has better showings for them as they're more experienced and flushed out. Which is why I said comics only is a great match. It's like comic SF, many characters who are on average much stronger in their universe are weaker in most showings. Canonically Leonardo is definitely capable.
There currently a new run out if ur looking for new issues.
Originally posted by Tha C-Master
http://www.ninjaturtles.com/comics/mirage/one/pg04.htmhttp://www.ninjaturtles.com/comics/mirage/one/pg05.htm
They were being shot at in the very first fight in the very first volume of the very first comic. 😬
Originally posted by Starscream M
he's never been a threat to logan.he seems incompetent. he doesn't use the fancy powers much. he's very boring character.
based on what? I have a feeling youve never even read anything with him in it.........
Originally posted by BattlehammerMy point is they've done many of the same thing, in fact many characters have that aren't Marvel or DC. They've fought many people on time, fought big guys, little guys, smart guys, dumb guys, and skilled guys. They are more consistent than a lot of characters now.
I mean even that nothing, that be fairly low showing for DD, capt ect.
Originally posted by Battlehammertbh, I've only read two of his appearances, one of them logan stabs him and takes him out and another where all he does is talk for the entire comic
......what? He given Logan a fight every single time they go at it........not sure were your getting your info.based on what? I have a feeling youve never even read anything with him in it.........
he doesn't impress me
he's just a good sword fighter...nothing more. Leo has a good chance against him.
Originally posted by Tha C-Master
My point is they've done many of the same thing, in fact many characters have that aren't Marvel or DC. They've fought many people on time, fought big guys, little guys, smart guys, dumb guys, and skilled guys. They are more consistent than a lot of characters now.
Originally posted by BattlehammerThey are about the same thing as what DD has done, with low level superhuman stats. The comics weren't around too long really, but in reality in canon they've done more impressive feats than a lot of the others anyways. First we wen't from nothing impressive and can't dodge or barely fight crooks, now they are mid level. So at least we are making progress. Allow me to search.
my point is there consistent shown at a level under capt, DD ect. There best feats are mid level feats for DD and capt. Thats my point. Silver Samurai best feat is deflect individual bullets, something I dont think Leo has come closes to touching.
Leo has cut shots out of the air though, can I find it? We'll see.
Originally posted by Tha C-Master
They are about the same thing as what DD has done, with low level superhuman stats.
the scan you showed was nothing closes to what DD has shown.....come on man the scan you presented showed people firering at the turtles thats it.......
Originally posted by Tha C-Master
The comics weren't around too long really, but in reality in canon they've done more impressive feats than a lot of the others anyways. First we wen't from nothing impressive and can't dodge or barely fight crooks, now they are mid level. So at least we are making progress. Allow me to search.
You keep saying this I have yet to see it.
What you showed was not impressive. I neevr said then can barly fight crooks now your putting words in my mouth. I said they normally fight crooks and show nothing impressive which is true. Even the feat you showed was meh. I was beign quite generous in saying that was even a mid level feat. The best feat I have ever seen from them was one of mikey from the current run which re started up year or two ago.
keep searching I love for it to be true, that there as good, but I have yet to really see it. asside from there very few high showings which all came from there most recent run which I am not even sure is cannon to the rest of there comics.
Originally posted by Tha C-Master
Leo has cut shots out of the air though, can I find it? We'll see.
I find it hard to believe, but I hope you find it.
Of course they are canon, all of them go right into the storyline, now let's not take away from the argument. There are "guys firing"? What' the difference in them "dodging bullets" than when any of the other Street levelers do the exact same thing in any other showings? Honestly man, not to mention that *none* of these characters are fast enough to dodge a bullet after it's fired, only those with subsonic speeds, or someone like Spiderman with a long enough distance with his warning, the others can't dodge a bullet after it's fired to begin with. Bullets are jobbers in comics no different than mobs of people. You show DD taking on hordes of ninjas I can show you that, if you show DD or someone "dodging bullets" I can show you that. Lasers which move at light speed, I can show you that. We went from saying they weren't there or a myth to now watering them down. I'm not about to do this. All of the turtles are low level superhuman which DD isn't anyways, so in a forum fight he'd be less skilled and physically weaker as well, and less durable. Obviusly in the comics alone characters like Batman are going to have more feats, they have more comics, this was just a short run. Furthermore they all have high and low feats anyways.