To all of you who voted for Obama

yes we can...

just call him barry

Problem with Obama is that he has such a rock star status - this is not healthy for someone who is supposed to lead a very powerful nation.

That and the fact that after promising ''change'' he went and employed into his administration people who have been in charge of America for ages.

Originally posted by The Dark Cloud
Are you still happy you did?

All I see he has done is try to create an expanded version of medicare and a bunch of "czars" answerable soley to him?

He has enormously expanded the national debt.
He has done nothing for the environment.
Where is his promised tax cut for the middle class?
Are we out of Iraq or Afghanistan? Last I checked he was EXPANDING our presence in Afghanistan.
What has he done about unemployment?
What has he done to stop the outsourcing of American jobs to other countries?
He has an overwhelming majority in both houses of congress, he has no excuse.

Welcome to George W Bush the sequal

The president is just a figure head, a puppet of the bankers who run the world so what do you expect???!!!!! 😱

Originally posted by Bicnarok
The president is just a figure head, a puppet of the bankers who run the world so what do you expect???!!!!! 😱

Oh I agree. I was just wondering what those who thought Obama was a cure-all think now,

Originally posted by inimalist
nono, his comparison was to Obama being the continuation of Bush. Given he voted for McCain, shouldn't that mean he is happy rather than just looking for something to quibble about in a partisan nature?

Not true. I'm not a Republican. I was glad to see Bush leave as well. I rarely vote for major party candidates and I didn't vote for mcCain as much as I voted against Obama.

I think Hillary lost nomination, even though in my opinion she's far more competant than Obama, because she was seen as part of the old guard, the Washington establishment (which admittedly is true).

People wanted something fresh and new. My whole question in this thread is....do they think they got that ?

lol

Originally posted by dadudemon
I didn't vote for him.

I most definitely don't like bigger government. I agree with you, there.

Debt when Obama took office: $10.6 trillion.

Debt now: $11.99 Trillion.

Total Obama debt created: $1.39

Total Bush debt created: $4.9 Trillion.

My sources:
Obama has quite a bit to go to catch up to Bush. Bush is the worst spender(President) in US History.

Not really. Spending? Yes. Other than that, they aren't THAT simiar.

also, at least bush had the balls to try and do something with all that power and money. Don't see any "change" happening with obama, for all that money.

Originally posted by One Free Man
Lets look at obama. Been in office almost a year. What's he done? Spent 1.39 trillion dollars. Bush spent 4.9 trillion over 8 years. If obama gets re-elected, and there's that many blind people in the world who thinks he will do some sort of change crap in 7 more years, and continues at this rate, he will have spent 11 trillion dollars.

also, at least bush had the balls to try and do something with all that power and money. Don't see any "change" happening with obama, for all that money.

I most certainly did not say that Obama wasn't spending a bunch of money. Just pointing out that Obama has quite a bit to go before he reaches Bush levels. And, if you read my post, you'd see that I do not like spending and, in fact, we should be reducing our spending.

Originally posted by One Free Man
Lets look at obama. Been in office almost a year. What's he done? Spent 1.39 trillion dollars. Bush spent 4.9 trillion over 8 years. If obama gets re-elected, and there's that many blind people in the world who thinks he will do some sort of change crap in 7 more years, and continues at this rate, he will have spent 11 trillion dollars.

also, at least bush had the balls to try and do something with all that power and money. Don't see any "change" happening with obama, for all that money.

Originally posted by Bardock42
To be fair though Obama faced a major economic crisis in his first year, so there's "hope" (lol) that this spending will not be repeated.

Originally posted by One Free Man
I don't see a release from said economic crisis, especially when the president continually authorizes the bail-outs of economies that should die due to their financial stupidity.

Originally posted by Bardock42
Okay, then you are being a bit silly though.

I'm not sure what you are talking about here, Bardock.

I could have sworn that you would prefer the companies fail, i.e. allow the markets to rise and fall on their own.

Originally posted by dadudemon
I'm not sure what you are talking about here, Bardock.

I could have sworn that you would prefer the companies fail, i.e. allow the markets to rise and fall on their own.

I agree with the sentiment. But I am not so blind as to not see that the economy will recover with Obama's more socialised approach as well.

Originally posted by The Dark Cloud
Are you still happy you did?

All I see he has done is try to create an expanded version of medicare and a bunch of "czars" answerable soley to him?

He has enormously expanded the national debt.
He has done nothing for the environment.
Where is his promised tax cut for the middle class?
Are we out of Iraq or Afghanistan? Last I checked he was EXPANDING our presence in Afghanistan.
What has he done about unemployment?
What has he done to stop the outsourcing of American jobs to other countries?
He has an overwhelming majority in both houses of congress, he has no excuse.

Welcome to George W Bush the sequal

Originally posted by Bardock42
I agree with the sentiment. But I am not so blind as to not see that the economy will recover with Obama's more socialised approach as well.

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flat. straight. it's stayed the same. You want to rely blindly on Obama's socialized approach with no results, you do that. I'm still happy I didn't vote for him, because I do not support any of his lazy passive and massive spending of my cash. The government takes a third of my money when I get my paycheck to bail out companies who have made incredibly stupid decisions.

you are honestly of the opinion that the best option for the government would have been for them to do nothing in the face of a pending economic collapse?

Originally posted by inimalist
you are honestly of the opinion that the best option for the government would have been for them to do nothing in the face of a pending economic collapse?

Originally posted by One Free Man
explain how I am being silly. lets see how the curve of improvement after obama's election has looked so far:

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flat. straight. it's stayed the same. You want to rely blindly on Obama's socialized approach with no results, you do that. I'm still happy I didn't vote for him, because I do not support any of his lazy passive and massive spending of my cash. The government takes a third of my money when I get my paycheck to bail out companies who have made incredibly stupid decisions.

Look, dude, I am not a big fan of government either, definitely not excess spending. Like I elaborated, my point was not that I am happy with Obama spending that much, but that it won't stop the economy from recovering. Perhaps it slowed it down, but it did probably make the lives of a lot of people a bit better than they would have been otherwise.

And although I do think that free economics and little government control is in most cases preferable to the overall good, I can't help but lately feel sympathy for people in misery and also feel glad that to some extend the social network of my country insures me that even if I should be struck by misfortune I would not hit rock bottom.

Obama hasn't even been in office for a year yet, so in my opinion it's too soon to tell what positive or negative affects he's had as the President. I'm glad I voted for him and that he became the President, because if he didn't, then I'd always wonder what could have been. I'm giving the guy some time before I judge his performance. So far he seems very active and very personable. He has a lot to learn, but that is okay. He'll learn from his mistakes and that will make him a better President.

Originally posted by One Free Man
if by "nothing" you mean not spend 1 trillion dollars to really just keep it the same as before.

no, I mean nothing

I'm not talking partisan semantics, I'm asking if it is honestly your opinion that no action from the government, as in deliberate inaction, would have been the best solution for the recent economic problems.