Originally posted by -Pr-
That also rules out Hammer throws, now that I think about it.
I've already admitted that Thor can hit harder with his hammer. But that's not a fair comparison, as Superman has more abilities, is more versatile, and is capable of far more destruction.
Originally posted by Dolos
Not really, you don't have to be moving to twirl and accelerate a hammer.I've already admitted that Thor can hit harder with his hammer. But that's not a fair comparison, as Superman has more abilities, is more versatile, and is capable of far more destruction.
Throwing something with his strength adds acceleration, and so on.
Superman isn't more versatile. He's versatile, yes, but Thor has him beat in that regard.
Originally posted by -Pr-
Throwing something with his strength adds acceleration, and so on.Superman isn't more versatile. He's versatile, yes, but Thor has him beat in that regard.
Well without acceleration neither can do any damage. So why hold bars against Superman specifically, or against either of them for that matter? Superman is capable of more damage. /thread
How?
Originally posted by Damborgson
Want to list their abilities and see who runs out of options first?
Well Thor's limitations are the result of just his Asgardian power set. Kryptonians are X-men that can develop new powers one a whim, it's just extremely difficult for them. Superman has no set versatility, and he's less limited than any other Kryptonian, he's the intellectual epitome of that species. But we'll assume his power set is the best he can do, we'll pretend like he doesn't have psionic mental blocks because he can't accept his Kryptonian heritage.
Superhuman strength, speed, agility, endurance, longevity, flight, energy absorption, energy projection, weather manipulation, dimensional transportation, electric manipulation
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Superhuman strength, speed, stamina, invulnerability, flight, superhuman intelligence, freezing breath, superhuman hearing, multiple extrasensory and vision powers, longevity, regeneration, energy absorption, limited psionic abilities (telepathy, telekinesis, etc)
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Sorry.
Originally posted by Dolos
Well without acceleration neither can do any damage. So why hold bars against Superman specifically, or against either of them for that matter? Superman is capable of more damage. /threadHow?
You're free to believe that, I just don't agree. Throwing the hammer can, theoretically, do more damage than simply swinging it. That's because the hammer can travel faster than his fist can.
What do you mean how? Thor has more options with his powers than Superman does. Now, while I don't think that means he wins, it is still true.
Wait, you think Thor can is capable of more damage now? Even with Superman's IMP? Or did you already believe that. His hammer throws have never destroyed a moon.
If you're referring to the Godblast, I'll reiterate. Superman cannot beat that damage wise.
If we're asking, using only super strength, can Thor do more damage with his hammer (without using it's mystical properties) than Superman? No, Thor cannot, he's not strong enough to match Superman - we've witnessed how even the Hulk himself would need quite a bit of rage to rival Superman's strength, and he's only surpassed it in Planet and WWH imo.
Superman's speed is eons above Thor's. He's pretty close to the Flash in that regard. His strength is eons above Thor's, close the Hulk's. He can accelerate faster, and with far more force than Thor can with his hammer. He can simply hit harder of Thor isn't using the Hammer's powers to augment his hits.
Originally posted by -Pr-
What do you mean how? Thor has more options with his powers than Superman does. Now, while I don't think that means he wins, it is still true.
It's just not.
Originally posted by DolosSuperhuman strength, speed, agility, endurance, and longevity, flight, energy absorption & projection, weather manipulation, dimensional transportation, electric manipulation
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Superhuman strength, speed, stamina, invulnerability, flight, superhuman intelligence, freezing breath, superhuman hearing, multiple extrasensory and vision powers, longevity and regeneration, energy absorption
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Sorry.
Pretty good. 👆 Except there's a lot more.
Now here are Thor's actual powers:
-Strength
-Invulnerability
-weather manipulation
-Mjolnir produced energy blasts
-telelportation
-healing factor
-Can use his essence as blast
-Able to create antimatter
-Absorb the essence of other gods for an "Asgardian Spirit Bomb"
-soul raping
-Able to enchant objects with Mjolnir
-Summon the dead
-Hypnosis
-Induce visions
-Disrupt intangibility
-full body blasts
-Cancel magic
-Magnetic control
-temporal dislocations
-shrinking
-erase memories
-godhood lets him sift through dimensions without Mjolnir
-near eternal life
yadda yadda yadda. A bit more than what you listed though 👆 Next to Surfer, Thor's got versatility in the bag.
So don't be sorry. Be smart. 🙂
Originally posted by Damborgson
Pretty good. 👆 Except there's a lot more.Now here are Thor's actual powers:
-Strength
-Invulnerability
-weather manipulation
-Mjolnir produced energy blasts
-telelportation
-healing factor
-Can use his essence as blast
-Able to create antimatter
-Absorb the essence of other gods for an "Asgardian Spirit Bomb"
-soul raping
-Able to enchant objects with Mjolnir
-Summon the dead
-Hypnosis
-Induce visions
-Disrupt intangibility
-full body blasts
-Cancel magic
-Magnetic control
-temporal dislocations
-shrinking
-erase memories
-godhood lets him sift through dimensions without Mjolnir
-near eternal lifeyadda yadda yadda. A bit more than what you listed though 👆 Next to Surfer, Thor's got versatility in the bag.
So don't be sorry. Be smart. 🙂
Let's wait for the DCnU to get more feats.
I think Superman is capable of more versatility. I'll hold adamant on that, if it doesn't happen within the next Crisis, you get a told ya so.
Originally posted by Dolos
How does all of that stack up against what you could do with time travel and causality manipulation?And that's just Superman's speed. Also, Superman speed can allow for the IMP, it can allow for intangibility and invisibility. Can Thor become intangible of invisible?
Those are just some applications of his speed, feats that Thor would not be fast enough to replicate.
Superman is capable of a lot more versatility.
Except everything I listed is on panel.
Superman gets speed: PERIOD. Otherwise I start listing off what Thor can do with weather manipulation.
Can Superman soul rape or emit godblasts from his body?
Those are just somoe abilities that Superman's mortality would not allow him to replicate.
Except he's not.
Originally posted by Dolos
Let's wait for the DCnU to get more feats.I think Superman is capable of more versatility. I'll hold adamant on that, if it doesn't happen within the next Crisis, you get a told ya so.
Got you before the edit 😛
concession accepted 👆
Originally posted by Dolos
Wait, you think Thor can is capable of more damage now? Even with Superman's IMP? Or did you already believe that. His hammer throws have never destroyed a moon.If you're referring to the Godblast, I'll reiterate. Superman cannot beat that damage wise.
If we're asking, using only super strength, can Thor do more damage with his hammer (without using it's mystical properties) than Superman? No, Thor cannot, he's not strong enough to match Superman - we've witnessed how even the Hulk himself would need quite a bit of rage to rival Superman's strength, and he's only surpassed it in Planet and WWH imo.
Superman's speed is eons above Thor's. He's pretty close to the Flash in that regard. His strength is eons above Thor's, close the Hulk's. He can accelerate faster, and with far more force than Thor can with his hammer. He can simply hit harder of Thor isn't using the Hammer's powers to augment his hits.
It's just not.
Something tells me we aren't going to see eye to eye. I think you seriously underestimate Thor, though at the same time, no, I don't think that Thor is on average capable of doing more damage.
It's always great to have another Superfan on the forum, though.
I highly doubt that Superman will develop a vast array of powers in the DCnU outside of that which he already possesses. His edge lies in his methods of utilizing his powers in different ways. His heat vision can be used offensively, as a surgical tool, mechanical repair, etc. but it's still heat vision.