Colossus and Wolverine vs Hercules and Ares

Started by Wild Shadow10 pages

Originally posted by -Pr-
cyclops has tagged logan too.

and actually, don't. i want to hear what you think cyclops did that was silly, while arguing the validity of all of those wolverine feats.

usually when cyke has hit logan their are circumstances like logan not paying attention mouthing off or letting him hit him in order to start a fight. a few times it is unexpected ricochet or cyke simply cheap shots him from behind.

also absorbing man usually need conscious control to initiate the absorption process and logan is just that quick.

anyway **** Ares, Hercules outa solo 😛

Originally posted by Wild Shadow
usually when cyke has hit logan their are circumstances like logan not paying attention mouthing off or letting him hit him in order to start a fight. a few times it is unexpected ricochet or cyke simply cheap shots him from behind.

also absorbing man usually need conscious control to initiate the absorption process and logan is just that quick.

even though cyclops has performed superior feats to tagging logan, it's only blind luck or circumstance when he hits him? 😬

Originally posted by -Pr-
even though cyclops has performed superior feats to tagging logan, it's only blind luck or circumstance when he hits him? 😬

no, sometimes logan doesnt see it coming b/c being too cocky so cyke hits him. 😉

Originally posted by Wild Shadow
no, sometimes logan doesnt see it coming being to cocky so cyke hits him. 😉

😂

Originally posted by -Pr-
😂

hey, it happens when a person gets to overconfident. 🤣

its when he is calm and focus when cyke should be scared as a matter a fact the scan shows cyke about to piss his pants b/c of it. 😮‍💨

Originally posted by Wild Shadow
hey, it happens when a person gets to overconfident. 🤣

its when he is calm and focus when cyke should be scared as a matter a fact the scan shows cyke about to piss his pants b/c of it. 😮‍💨

yes, i'm sure. 😂

Originally posted by KingD19
WWH couldn't one shot Wolverine, Skaar couldn't one shot Wolverine, even by kicking him across the state line and onto a tree. Red Hulk couldn't one shot Wolverine, Juggernaut couldn't one shot Wolverine, you get where I'm coming from?

And Colossus as a teenager(CL 70) took on, and temporarily ko'd Savage Hulk. He's held his own against Gladiator, Juggernaut, WWH, S'ym, etc....

Yes, Colossus may not be handing Herc his ass, but he can definitely hang with him for a while, and that's long enough for Wolverine to gut Ares, then come help. Or Wolverine could take on Herc from the get go, Colossus could knock Ares out, then go help him.

First off Colossus never really holds his own with those guys.

He simply manages to last a a short time. In the case of Glads he lasted for maybe a panel or two before Glads completely Koed him.

WWH bent his arms backwards.

With Juggernaut it's always Colossus' mobility that keeps him alive, and able to last with Cain for more than a few seconds. In fact generally when Cain lands a hit that's it.

And also FYI the Juggernaut has one-shotted Wolverine before.

Unto to Ares. The guy is vastly being underrated right now especially with his new push. For one the guy has already beaten A-Bom recently and almost effortlessly. A-Bom would give Colossus a good fight.

Secondly for the Colossus/Ares match up people are tending to forget he is carrying a weapon that could cut Colossus along with the strength backing to make those cuts mean something.

Wolverine v Ares. It seems to me most people are treating this as another Wolverine vs brick match. Seriously Ares has a few things going for him then the average brick. For one thing he has been shown recently to constantly be carrying a weapon with him that can block every single one of Wolverine's attacks, his axe. He also has his sword and armor.

Also people are forgetting that both people on team 2 do have healing factors of their own.

Either Ares or Herc can beat Colossus. Either Ares or Herc can beat Wolverine especially if they have their weapons that can block his attacks, cause once you remove that from him Wolverine becomes extremely limited in what he can do to people way out of his league.

Originally posted by Battlehammer
So I am a fanboy for thinking wolverine can cut up Ares? I mean how foolish of me to think of such a thing

I mean here wolverine stabbing right throw ghost rider, and as I recall did not ghost rider take it to WWH when Ares got effortlessly dropped, and has shown far greater durability feats that Ares?
http://img524.imageshack.us/img524/284/untitled2mk7.jpg

Wait and here Wolverine effortlessly cutting off absorbing mans arm
1. http://img522.imageshack.us/img522/2198/absorbingmandu5.jpg
2. http://img505.imageshack.us/img505/8149/absorbingman2xv6.jpg

Wolverine cut’s right through Arkon shield
http://img237.imageshack.us/img237/2082/arkon2fg8.jpg

Here Wolverine cut death’s head II arm right off.
http://img515.imageshack.us/img515/1156/43578353hz1.jpg

Here Wolverien easily stabbing into Death’s Head II (Minion)
http://img261.imageshack.us/img261/105/mdh2ckg2.jpg

Wolverine standing on grey hulks body after he gutted him
http://img468.imageshack.us/img468/9306/hulk340pg16viciouscirclod4.jpg

Wolverine here is stabbing bunch of times right into savage Hulk who has far more impressive durability feats then Ares, and yet Wolverine claws easily cut through him.
http://img212.imageshack.us/img212/4384/savagehulkagain7yz8.jpg

Here in Hulk nightmare dream realm he being cut all over by Wolverine, showing that even Hulk sub conscious recognizes Wolverines ability to cut him.
http://img507.imageshack.us/img507/5130/cutshulkuv4.jpg

Wolverine cutting right into WWH who has show far better durability to Ares, but again as with the other Hulks even being the most powerful incarnation, does not prevent him from wistanding Wolverines claws
http://img507.imageshack.us/img507/7905/wwahtd8.jpg

Wolverine is able to Piece right through Ironman Hulk Buster Armor which is designed to wistand the damage the Hulk can out put and is the most durable of his armors. Yet Wolverine stabbing Ares and cutting him up is ridiculous?
1. http://img225.imageshack.us/img225/7931/arkon3oy4.jpg

Here Wolverine show again how well a heavy hitter with a caliber of durability above Ares and feats to back it stands up to a slash of Wolverines Claws
1. http://img210.imageshack.us/img210/2346/ff7418aa4.jpg
2. http://img401.imageshack.us/img401/7487/ff7419wr2.jpg

Here the damage done.
http://img401.imageshack.us/img401/8431/thingqt4.jpg

Ben reaction to the damage and is the reason for why thing wore that metal mask for long while. http://img210.imageshack.us/img210/1117/fantasticfour380eq7.jpg

Kierrok was able to withstand the assaults of Night crawler, Storm, Cyclopes, and Colossus as seen in the scans
1. http://img257.imageshack.us/img257/4061/kierrokca1.jpg
2. http://img510.imageshack.us/img510/4965/kierrok2uo4.jpg
3. http://img206.imageshack.us/img206/9228/kierrok3wb7.jpg
But Wolverine carves right into him, and it the first Mortal in Ages to harm the demon lord.
http://img510.imageshack.us/img510/6114/kierrok4mr7.jpg

Here Wolverine display again the he can cut right into brick character with superior durability showings to Ares, such as Namor
5. http://img213.imageshack.us/img213/7402/newinamor5dn2.jpg

He does so again in another encounter
http://img237.imageshack.us/img237/2008/untitledscanned0311bw8.jpg

Wolverine displays his ability to cut through pretty much an heavy hitter onces again by doing so to Rhino with casual slash/
1. http://img444.imageshack.us/img444/6898/rhino1ii2.jpg
2. http://img181.imageshack.us/img181/1167/rhino2dp8.jpg

Here Wolverine is easily able to stab Mauvais/Wendigo, this is the most powerful of all Wendigo’s and had Doc Strange scared. The average Wendigo has display greater durability then that of Ares, so Wolverine stabbing the most powerful means what for Ares……..you tell me.
http://img518.imageshack.us/img518/3179/mauvaisgoroundb3tk0.jpg

If you some how trick your self into believing Ares is more durable then all the other individuals I have shown scans of wolverine cutting or stabbing, there is no way you could possibly believe he more durable then Thanos with the infinity gauntlet.
1. http://img511.imageshack.us/img511/4366/thanosbr0.jpg

What is the point of all this?? I know what Wolverine can do. And showing multiple feats of him stabbing characters here and there doesn't really prove much. You keep mentioning other characters having "higher durability than Ares" Weak stuff. Ares does the same to characters with higher durability than Wolverine. The point.....?

My argument was it's ridiculous to think Logan will just slice up Ares. Someone who is far stronger, more experienced (that doesn't matter to you though, eh? On an earlier page you just dismissed it saying Wolverine was more experienced no question. Where you got that from no idea. Ares has fought for thousands of years. In more than one realm)Ares has the martial skill and durability to hold off and even beat Wolverine.
He can also outsmart him. Earlier you said "Hell ares fights off emotion and has no improved his fighting skills at all. Hell they even stated he thinks little of tactics." Yet in Mighty Avengers #5 he figures out the way to take down Ultron, even though Shield and Hank Pym are on the case. And Tony Stark himself defers to Ares for his battle plan against Doom (though to be fair it was just plowing a plane into a wall,but hey it worked)

And some of your facts are made up. The average Wendigo displaying more durability that Ares? How do you know that? IIRC Sabretooth had no problem killing one. Skinning one. And wearing one.

Originally posted by Newjak
First off Colossus never really holds his own with those guys.

He simply manages to last a a short time. In the case of Glads he lasted for maybe a panel or two before Glads completely Koed him.

WWH bent his arms backwards.

With Juggernaut it's always Colossus' mobility that keeps him alive, and able to last with Cain for more than a few seconds. In fact generally when Cain lands a hit that's it.

And also FYI the Juggernaut has one-shotted Wolverine before.

Unto to Ares. The guy is vastly being underrated right now especially with his new push. For one the guy has already beaten A-Bom recently and almost effortlessly. A-Bom would give Colossus a good fight.

Secondly for the Colossus/Ares match up people are tending to forget he is carrying a weapon that could cut Colossus along with the strength backing to make those cuts mean something.

Wolverine v Ares. It seems to me most people are treating this as another Wolverine vs brick match. Seriously Ares has a few things going for him then the average brick. For one thing he has been shown recently to constantly be carrying a weapon with him that can block every single one of Wolverine's attacks, his axe. He also has his sword and armor.

Also people are forgetting that both people on team 2 do have healing factors of their own.

Either Ares or Herc can beat Colossus. Either Ares or Herc can beat Wolverine especially if they have their weapons that can block his attacks, cause once you remove that from him Wolverine becomes extremely limited in what he can do to people way out of his league.

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Originally posted by The Pict
What is the point of all this?? I know what Wolverine can do. And showing multiple feats of him stabbing characters here and there doesn't really prove much.

You keep mentioning other characters having "higher durability than Ares" Weak stuff. Ares does the same to characters with higher durability than Wolverine. The point.....?


Because you stated were fanboys for thinking Wolverine can cut up Ares, so I posted evidence, because that what you do in debates, but you clearly did not get that memo.

Originally posted by The Pict
My argument was it's ridiculous to think Logan will just slice up Ares. Someone who is far stronger,

Love how you ignored my post. Whats good being stronger when his opponents faster, better reflexes, more agile ect by quite a lot. Oh and also can do more damage to Ares every hit then vice verse. How about you bring forth some evidence that Ares can even keep up with wolverine and get hit many times before he even lands a hit.

See a provided evidence of wolverine being lot faster combat speed wises. I brought forth evidences I him have far better reflexes as well, you brought forth nothing.

Originally posted by The Pict

more experienced (that doesn't matter to you though, eh? On an earlier page you just dismissed it saying Wolverine was more experienced no question. Where you got that from no idea. Ares has fought for thousands of years.

Awosome how about you actually read my post instead of skipping through it? I actually straight up stated and posted a scan, saying that I know your going to bring forth the fact Ares is more experienced, so I posted a scan of wolverine beating some one who was milena old………but clearly keep miss representing what I said.

Originally posted by The Pict
In more than one realm)Ares has the martial skill and durability to hold off and even beat Wolverine.

Prove it. I already brought forth evidence with out a shadow of a doubt that Wolverine is significantly more skilled and all you did was ignore it and bring nothing to the table nice….denial the key……clearly

But see his durability won’t due shit, or did you miss the scans of wolverine easily cutting through highly durable individuals many of which have higher and more consistent durability feats then Ares.

Originally posted by The Pict
He can also outsmart him.

Really prove it, I guarantee there far more examples of wolverine out smarting people then Ares, but yea lets just assume Ares who barley ever out smart anyone will some how do it to wolverine……….

Originally posted by The Pict
Earlier you said "Hell ares fights off emotion and has no improved his fighting skills at all. Hell they even stated he thinks little of tactics." Yet in Mighty Avengers #5 he figures out the way to take down Ultron, even though Shield and Hank Pym are on the case. And Tony Stark himself defers to Ares for his battle plan against Doom (though to be fair it was just plowing a plane into a wall,but hey it worked)
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Actaully go re read my post which you crealy have ass, because you misrepresented what I said repeatedly. I said he had not really changed his style of fighting and is not as diverst or as skilled as wolverine.

Originally posted by The Pict
[B]And some of your facts are made up. The average Wendigo displaying more durability that Ares? How do you know that? IIRC Sabretooth had no problem killing one. Skinning one. And wearing one.

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I love how you through out a red herring awosome. Who honestly cares I provided numerous examples, but you have no evidence nor really any argument so you nit pick one of my twenty scans I provided. Also sabre-tooth had adamatium at the time if not mistaken. And the average Wendigo durable enough to go into slugg fest with hulk, lets see Ares try that.

if ppl are going to be bias and ignore evidence they should just post their statement and leave.

i really hate ppl that troll, ignore history and trash talk the character rather then argue and make a reasonable argument.

where are the mods!! ban ban ban.bash

Originally posted by SoulDevourer
btw how come Absorbin Man didnt absorb wolvies adamatium when he touch it? 🤨
good question

Originally posted by Colossus-Big C
good question
I think it was supposed to be based on the fact that Wolverine cut him too fast for his absorbing ability to take effect.

Originally posted by Wild Shadow
if ppl are going to be bias and ignore evidence they should just post their statement and leave.

i really hate ppl that troll, ignore history and trash talk the character rather then argue and make a reasonable argument.

where are the mods!! ban ban ban.bash

No one is trolling this thread accept maybe yourself? Did you come in here to back seat mod and to ask for people to be banned?

scream That's a crime!

Originally posted by Battlehammer
Because you stated were fanboys for thinking Wolverine can cut up Ares, so I posted evidence, because that what you do in debates, but you clearly did not get that memo.

Evidence of what? Wolverine cutting up materials or characters that have no bearing to this fight. I have posted evidence as well. I believe I am the first person to post a scan in this thread.Just because you posted a shitload doesn't make you right. Also everything I have said about Ares is true.

Originally posted by Battlehammer
Love how you ignored my post. Whats good being stronger when his opponents faster, better reflexes, more agile ect by quite a lot. Oh and also can do more damage to Ares every hit then vice verse. How about you bring forth some evidence that Ares can even keep up with wolverine and get hit many times before he even lands a hit.

How will Wolverine do more damage with every hit? Ares weapons are strong enough to cut through gigantic monsters than Ms Marvel and Wonderman had trouble putting down. And he has greater strength to back it up. Ares and Wolverines reflexes are comparable. Ares is able to move through the skies taking out multiple Iron Man armour without the ability to fly. He's not some slow moving dumbass that Wolverine will run rings around, or just stand there and get slashed up. There's my evidence that Ares will keep up with Wolverine. I'll post the scan underneath. Not like it's needed, regular humans have kept up with Wolverine.

Originally posted by Battlehammer
See a provided evidence of wolverine being lot faster combat speed wises. I brought forth evidences I him have far better reflexes as well, you brought forth nothing.

Eh...no. You post scans of how skilled Wolverine is with no legit comparisons to Ares. And how good his reflexes are, why does this mean he beats Ares. You are the one bringing forwards very little. All your scans are of people getting beat by Wolverine and you say this will happen to Ares. Ares has less durability than this person. How is this proof? It's not evidence to what Wolverine will do to Ares, because you are talking about unrelated characters.

Originally posted by Battlehammer
Awosome how about you actually read my post instead of skipping through it? I actually straight up stated and posted a scan, saying that I know your going to bring forth the fact Ares is more experienced, so I posted a scan of wolverine beating some one who was milena old………but clearly keep miss representing what I said.

Hows does Wolverine beating one person mean he is more experienced than Ares and that's that? Wolverine also loses to people younger than him.
I'm saying Ares has the experience to fight off Wolverine, even beat him. And that goes the other way too. But your bias dismissed this and you can't accept that Ares's experience is comparable to Wolverine's.

Originally posted by Battlehammer
Prove it. I already brought forth evidence with out a shadow of a doubt that Wolverine is significantly more skilled and all you did was ignore it and bring nothing to the table nice….denial the key……clearly

No you haven't. You've posted evidence of Wolverine's skill and assumed this means he is superior to Ares. I could do the same with Ares. What does it accomplish? You have in fact posted no proof that Wolverine can beat Ares. Just that Wolverine is extremely skilled (which we already all knew)

Originally posted by Battlehammer
But see his durability won’t due shit, or did you miss the scans of wolverine easily cutting through highly durable individuals many of which have higher and more consistent durability feats then Ares.

I already showed Ares coming through and high impact explosion with a single scratch. That far higher damage potential, difference and spread than what can be inflicted with Wolverine's claws. And again you're talking about other characters and sticking their weaknesses to Ares. When you show Ares getting damaged in the way they were you have a valid argument. What you have now is scans of Wolverine cutting up objects and people that aren't Ares.

Originally posted by Battlehammer
Really prove it, I guarantee there far more examples of wolverine out smarting people then Ares, but yea lets just assume Ares who barley ever out smart anyone will some how do it to wolverine……….

Prove it? You mean like I just did. I told you people far smarter than Ares or Wolverine (Stark, Pym, Shield scientists and personnel) deferring to Ares's battle experience and cunning. Of course there are more examples of Wolverine outsmarting people, he has far more comic appearances. Doesn't mean Ares can't do it.

Originally posted by Battlehammer
Actaully go re read my post which you crealy have ass, because you misrepresented what I said repeatedly. I said he had not really changed his style of fighting and is not as diverst or as skilled as wolverine.

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Originally posted by Battlehammer
I love how you through out a red herring awosome. Who honestly cares I provided numerous examples, but you have no evidence nor really any argument so you nit pick one of my twenty scans I provided. Also sabre-tooth had adamatium at the time if not mistaken. And the average Wendigo durable enough to go into slugg fest with hulk, lets see Ares try that.

It's not a red herring because it's not false or misleading, it's what actually happened.

Basically this post is you saying you're right and I'm wrong. You show scans of Wolverine cutting through durable materials and say that this means he'll cut up Ares. Will I post scans of Ares cutting up material more durable than Wolverine and it means he wins? They stalemate?
Also you think you browbeat me by saying I'm ignorant and bring forth nothing? You consistently accuse me of misinterpreting what you are saying. I know what you are saying,which I why I am debating it.

Forgot this

For a big guy Are's is very agile.

wolverine is not beating ares. ares got hit with an atomic bomb and was unphased by it.

Logan just heals back from it......

Originally posted by The Nuul
Logan just heals back from it......
ares also has a healing factor

Ares has also bn dropped twice via bullet to the chin an another time by bullets to the noodle.

Ares durability like many others is not complete. he can handle heat and bludgeon force but it is a lie to say he can handle puncture wounds especially from adamantium claws that have cut scratched and nearly sliced off thor's arm.

Originally posted by Colossus-Big C
ares also has a healing factor

No where as good as Logans.