Who is to blame for Anakin's fall

Yeah, Lucas works in metaphors. I like Mustafar, but sometimes less is more. My idea of the temple is not the same that was used in the Star Wars films, which were more animated than real. I admit, I would like to have seen the end battle take place at the temple, but one that was a real life set piece. Take for example this comparison.

While I think Mustafar looks awesome, I would totally prefer the dark atmospheric look that was presented in ESB. I thought if they had built a set piece like this, rigged it with smoke, fire, dark, eeriness, it would have done more justice than the colorful Mustafar, as beautiful as Mustafar looked, and as goreous as it was, certain parts like Anakin riding the droid and them battling on the platform looked horribly unfinished. Again, that's not say I hated it, because bottom line is, I still liked it. But I would have totally preferred the eerie look during the end duel, especially at a place which signifies what Anakin and the Emperor are trying to destroy, and what Yoda and Obi-Wan are trying to save in metaphorical terms.

Originally posted by Sith Master X
Hey pal, before you come down on me, I've done nothing but support Lucas on here for 6 years, and if you bothered to read anything I've written, I love the PT!

For once on here, I come out and say the things I thought could be particularly different, and now everyone said Lucas gets it right. Anytime I said Lucas got something right, everybody said he got it wrong. This was the first time in 6 years I've openly admitted to something that didn't make sense to me, but I also stated that I liked it nonetheless.

I don't think you've seen all the stuff I've written on here year after year supporting GL. I've been the first one to come on here and say they are his movies, and that he did everything he could to do the best job possible, and I love them the way they are.

I was simply offering alternatives visions, and ways that to me would have been more believable. That's about it.

I don't believe his movies are stupid, nor did I ever say they were.
I'm sure there's a few certain members on here who can back me up and say that I'm anything but a Lucas basher. Those members know who they are, and I would love it if they came forward and back me up on that.

I'll back up this post 100%. And roughrider get over yourself with the "Jesus some people cannot let things go" comment. SMX has never been that kind of poster. He's always respectful of other peoples posts which obviously you arent.

And SMX Im not a fan of EU, you know that, but seriously thats one book you've GOT to read. It's excellent.

hi JP 😍

My t!ts are still better

mines bigger..hehe

Originally posted by Sith Master X
Hey pal, before you come down on me, I've done nothing but support Lucas on here for 6 years, and if you bothered to read anything I've written, I love the PT!

For once on here, I come out and say the things I thought could be particularly different, and now everyone said Lucas gets it right. Anytime I said Lucas got something right, everybody said he got it wrong. This was the first time in 6 years I've openly admitted to something that didn't make sense to me, but I also stated that I liked it nonetheless.

I don't think you've seen all the stuff I've written on here year after year supporting GL. I've been the first one to come on here and say they are his movies, and that he did everything he could to do the best job possible, and I love them the way they are.

I was simply offering alternatives visions, and ways that to me would have been more believable. That's about it.

I don't believe his movies are stupid, nor did I ever say they were.
I'm sure there's a few certain members on here who can back me up and say that I'm anything but a Lucas basher. Those members know who they are, and I would love it if they came forward and back me up on that.

I was addressing Lucas bashers in general.

I disagree with your choice of locations for the duel, because it matters as much to the subtext of the story. The clash between Yoda & Palpatine was just as significant for it's location - the senate chamber. The seat of power in the galaxy. Palpatine force-hurling senate seats at Yoda shows how whole worlds are within his grasp now. And the winner will control the fate of all the Republic systems.

I recognize you're not quite like the others with your avatar & signature. I just don't think Lucas went through this when he made the sequels in the OT - the worse griping he got from fans were that those Ewoks were kind of annoying. Now, I've been listening to fans relentlessly second guess him ever since the Special Editions came out. Part of the reason I don't spend much time here.
I think answers to questions can be found in the films, if you think long enough about it.

Well I like that approach alot better. Thank you.

And I understand entirely what you're saying about metaphorical storytelling in terms of Mustafar. I does reflect Anakin's torment as you stated, and yes, it is 100 percent cool storytelling.

I know Anakin was sent their as a means of performing task for the Emperor to prove his loyalties. It's here that I just think things got slightly rushed a bit. While I think ROTS is by far one of the best Star Wars films made, I just didn't like Grievous as a character, and the whole Utapau boga riding stuff kind of looked bad.

In Episode II, I immensely enjoyed Obi-Wan's storyline on Kaminio. In Episode III, I just didn't care much for Utapau, but everything else in my opinion was excellent, even Mustafar. I just thought it could have more signigance other than General Grievous introducing it to us with the voice acting done by Mathew Wood, probably my least favorite thing about the prequels, other than Jar Jar.

Originally posted by Jack Daniels
mines bigger..hehe

Bigger isn't always better 😛 And this is a perfect example of that

😱 Hiya Jack! and for the record I dont care for either of those avs. 😛

Originally posted by Sith Master X
Yeah, Lucas works in metaphors. I like Mustafar, but sometimes less is more. My idea of the temple is not the same that was used in the Star Wars films, which were more animated than real. I admit, I would like to have seen the end battle take place at the temple, but one that was a real life set piece. Take for example this comparison.

While I think Mustafar looks awesome, I would totally prefer the dark atmospheric look that was presented in ESB. I thought if they had built a set piece like this, rigged it with smoke, fire, dark, eeriness, it would have done more justice than the colorful Mustafar, as beautiful as Mustafar looked, and as goreous as it was, certain parts like Anakin riding the droid and them battling on the platform looked horribly unfinished. Again, that's not say I hated it, because bottom line is, I still liked it. But I would have totally preferred the eerie look during the end duel, especially at a place which signifies what Anakin and the Emperor are trying to destroy, and what Yoda and Obi-Wan are trying to save in metaphorical terms.

You know if you're going to compare, then it should be The Empire Strikes Back & Attack Of The Clones. Both are the middle parts of the trilogies, and both have lightsabers duels that take place in dark, gloomy environments. Remember the Anakin-Dooku duel that was virtually in the dark? We'd see their faces illuminated by lightsabers clashes. Murkiness works for the story in both cases - Luke thinks he's straight up fighting Darth Vader, not realizing the game Vader is playing with him and what he's going to spring on him. In AOTC, Dooku finally reveals himself to be a Sith, and the Jedi trio (Anakin, Obi Wan & Yoda) are left feeling unbalanced about what's happening in the galaxy around them. Intrigue and unanswered questions are major parts of those conflicts. The choice of the environment reflects that.

The parallel is consistent in the other films. The duels in ANH and TPM - the first films in the two series - take place in brightly lit machine environments, and end in death (and are witnessed by bystanders.) While the climatic duels in ROTJ and ROTS have a finality to them; the galaxy will change depending on who wins, and who walks away.

Originally posted by roughrider
Remember the Anakin-Dooku duel that was virtually in the dark? We'd see their faces illuminated by lightsabers clashes. Murkiness works for the story in both cases

Bingo! And that is the part I loved most about AOTC. I thought it looked awesome. Sparks flying around on the floor, dark lighting, some smoke to go along with it. Very atmospheric and extremely well done, unfortunately it only last for about 15 seconds, but I really liked the entire presentation of that scene.

Originally posted by ~JP~
😱 Hiya Jack! and for the record I dont care for either of those avs. 😛

B!tch uhuh

Aaaaaaaaaand I rest my case.

What case was that?

I like Steve's boobs best.

While I was going to address some of your points that I disagree with...it seems that that has really been done already 😛 And I will offer a second backup of SMX's comment.

However...I must say...General Grievous. Spectacular character 😉

Originally posted by queeq
I like Steve's boobs best.

awew00t You have good taste in breasts

Originally posted by General G
While I was going to address some of your points that I disagree with...it seems that that has really been done already 😛 And I will offer a second backup of SMX's comment.

However...I must say...General Grievous. Spectacular character 😉

I love that Grievous can wield 4 lightsabers at once. I love his design and look. Didn't quite like the voice over and coughing. 😬 I think he's a character I would have liked to have known a little more though.

I thought during the making of Episode III, the producer said we were going to learn about his origins. I'm sure it's covered in a book somewhere.

Originally posted by Sith Master X
I love that Grievous can wield 4 lightsabers at once. I love his design and look. Didn't quite like the voice over and coughing. 😬 I think he's a character I would have liked to have known a little more though.

I thought during the making of Episode III, the producer said we were going to learn about his origins. I'm sure it's covered in a book somewhere.

The book makes him seem much cooler and I think it even alludes to the origin of his cough. It still doesn't go into his history as a character though. I know there is a book or comic about his origins as a military leader on his home planet, but can't recall what it was called 😖

I do, however, agree that we should have been able to learn more about him through the movie, would have been much better, I think 😛

Originally posted by queeq
We never hear from them again...

Same reason we didn't hear as much of Jar Jar. And Jake Lloyd.