Thor & Captain Marvel Vs. Wonder Woman & Orion

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Originally posted by Zeuodin
atlas also had the advantage over superman. Surprise surprise. It was because he was magical.

or the fact that superman was weakened. unless you're talking about a different fight...

Originally posted by D-Block
Strength is strength and CM can match SM. WW is magical and she can't match him in strength. Don't get me wrong WW is a top tier but she is not as strong or durable as the rest. But her skill will make up for that for a little while in a fight.
I say she is as strong as the rest. I've posted plenty of Strength feats of hers that quantify her to be in the elite top tiers when it comes to strength. Alot of Stuff she can't do that Say Superman can because Superman's durability is ridiculous and his flight powers trump hers any day.

Originally posted by Zeuodin
I say she is as strong as the rest. I've posted plenty of Strength feats of hers that quantify her to be in the elite top tiers when it comes to strength. Alot of Stuff she can't do that Say Superman can because Superman's durability is ridiculous and his flight powers trump hers any day.

Oh I agree with you WW is one of the elite top tiers and is not to be under estimated in battle.
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Originally posted by Zeuodin
He was not fighting Surfer and Warlock at the same time on his own. Misnomer. Lightning does nothing to Wonder Woman. She's already held the actual Thunderbolt in her hand and taken Shots from Zeus. Hammer shots and anti matter blast are deflected by the shield of aegis which thor cannot break thru. Godblast is slow. he has to pray or some wierd shit for that. He can tag her maybe. It wouldn't be enough to put her down. she's already taken shots from zoom. multiple shots. zoom is far faster than Thor. She could likely block most of his punches, take the few that land or just fly circles around him. She is after all far faster. Or how about she just lasso's him and ends the fight.
False. This is after he beat down the Surfer once already. He resists the karmic blast which shows how resistant his asgardian spirit is. You really don't have a clue about Thor.

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Don't ever lie again. I'll be forced to expose you. Completely stomping the Surfer and warlock is well above anything WW is capable of. She'd get annihilated by just an all out Surfer himself.

She isn't resistant to Thor's lightning. That's completely and utterly baseless.

He doesn't need the godblast here as a few hammer shots will do the trick. She can't deflect dodge everything. Thor can trade blows with her while she can't really trade blows with this badass.

Originally posted by Zeuodin
As do they all. Thor isn't as fast as Amazo. So I can't see him getting any luck shots of that type. Amazo also has Superman plus Wonder Woman plus Martian Manhunter strength to Hold on to Diana's skull. Makes a difference.
So even a fellow WW fan calls you on another lie that she is immune to all forms of lightning and electricity.
Originally posted by D-Block
Strength is strength and CM can match SM. WW is magical and she can't match him in strength. Don't get me wrong WW is a top tier but she is not as strong or durable as the rest. But her skill will make up for that for a little while in a fight.
Exactly. She can hang for a little while but in the end her lack of durability/power/strength will cost her.

Originally posted by quanchi112
False. This is after he beat down the Surfer once already. He resists the karmic blast which shows how resistant his asgardian spirit is. You really don't have a clue about Thor.

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Don't ever lie again. I'll be forced to expose you. Completely stomping the Surfer and warlock is well above anything WW is capable of. She'd get annihilated by just an all out Surfer himself.

She isn't resistant to Thor's lightning. That's completely and utterly baseless.

He doesn't need the godblast here as a few hammer shots will do the trick. She can't deflect dodge everything. Thor can trade blows with her while she can't really trade blows with this badass.

So even a fellow WW fan calls you on another lie that she is immune to all forms of lightning and electricity. Exactly. She can hang for a little while but in the end her lack of durability/power/strength will cost her.


More opinion. she can't trade blows with this bad ass? LMAO. That's your retort? I've already posted scans of her trading blows with being as strong and stronger and more durable than Thor. a hammer shot? Zoom hits as hard as a hammer shot. They only Hurt her. Didn't break any bones, didn't ko her. She's faster than Thor and she can block 99% of his attacks. And you are the one who lies so much. You twist everything on panel. you use one debate tactic and when it's turned around on you, you switch stances. I'm done with you. I literally crapped all over your arguments.

Originally posted by Zeuodin
More opinion. she can't trade blows with this bad ass? LMAO. That's your retort? I've already posted scans of her trading blows with being as strong and stronger and more durable than Thor. a hammer shot? Zoom hits as hard as a hammer shot. They only Hurt her. Didn't break any bones, didn't ko her. She's faster than Thor and she can block 99% of his attacks. And you are the one who lies so much. You twist everything on panel. you use one debate tactic and when it's turned around on you, you switch stances. I'm done with you. I literally crapped all over your arguments.
There's no proof Zoom hits as hard as a hammer shot. None. Like usual you just tend to make things up. Thor can trade blows with stronger characters such as the Hulk. He's oneshotted Abom with his fists.

You said Thor didn't fight them both at the same time. I just called you on it.

Thor can take her blows and can definitely hit her if he can humble Glads and send him back to Zarkko proclaiming Thor's too strong when his one mission was to destroy Thor. He failed even though Thor held back and once Thor stopped doing so it just took a few hammer shots to leave him in the pavement beneath him.

Thor has dominated a far more durable opponent with aid at the same time. Surfer is more durable,more powerful, and more versatile than WW and he had help.

Yeah, Thor could solo this team if he were bloodlusted imo.

Originally posted by quanchi112
There's no proof Zoom hits as hard as a hammer shot. None. Like usual you just tend to make things up. Thor can trade blows with stronger characters such as the Hulk. He's oneshotted Abom with his fists.

You said Thor didn't fight them both at the same time. I just called you on it.

Thor can take her blows and can definitely hit her if he can humble Glads and send him back to Zarkko proclaiming Thor's too strong when his one mission was to destroy Thor. He failed even though Thor held back and once Thor stopped doing so it just took a few hammer shots to leave him in the pavement beneath him.

Thor has dominated a far more durable opponent with aid at the same time. Surfer is more durable,more powerful, and more versatile than WW and he had help.

Yeah, Thor could solo this team if he were bloodlusted imo.

No. I said Thor didn't fight both of them at the same time without some kind of circumstance behind it. he either had the power gem or he was in WM state. take your pick. You are saying Thor can trade blows with Stronger Characters. Konvict can trade blows with Thor and Hulk just fine. Konvict is an elite amping brick like many others. This you cannot deny. Wonder Woman Shotted Fluxes with her fist. It took flash an Imp punch to do the same as Zum and fluxes and zoom had the same powers. All you are doing is giving opinion and over looking every single thing I've posted. While you have posted NOTHING.

Originally posted by Zeuodin
No. I said Thor didn't fight both of them at the same time without some kind of circumstance behind it. he either had the power gem or he was in WM state.

Wasn't Warrior Madness.

Read the arc.

Originally posted by Kris Blaze
Wasn't Warrior Madness.

Read the arc.

I had the arc. He was bewitched. He was in a state of madness. And Surfer Nor Warlock were trying to kill him. He was trying to kill them.

Originally posted by Zeuodin
I had the arc. He was bewitched. He was in a state of madness. And Surfer Nor Warlock were trying to kill him. He was trying to kill them.

Bewitched makes it sound like someone else did it to him. The madness and Valkyrie were all created by him. Thor has no problems telling between friend and foe when he's in Warrior Madness, he just has no qualms about killing. Nor does it change anything about Thor's durability, speed and the power of his lightning/energy attacks. The only thing him being angry arguably changes, is his strength.

Originally posted by Kris Blaze
Bewitched makes it sound like someone else did it to him. The madness and Valkyrie were all created by him. Thor has no problems telling between friend and foe when he's in Warrior Madness, he just has no qualms about killing. Nor does it change anything about Thor's durability, speed and the power of his lightning/energy attacks. The only thing him being angry arguably changes, is his strength.

The state of his mind and the state of theirs tells that he couldn't take them both if everyone was in Kill mode. It show cases his power but let's not fool ourselves. Thor could barely if at all take the Surfer on his own. It would end up a stalemate or Surfer going all Herald and pulling a win. It needed to be noted that He was mad and they were not trying to kill him while he was.

Originally posted by Zeuodin
The state of his mind and the state of theirs tells that he couldn't take them both if everyone was in Kill mode. It show cases his power but let's not fool ourselves. Thor could barely if at all take the Surfer on his own. It would end up a stalemate or Surfer going all Herald and pulling a win. It needed to be noted that He was mad and they were not trying to kill him while he was.

^Failed to retort anything.

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Surfer wasn't holding back, still went down in like 2 panels.

Originally posted by Kris Blaze
^Failed to retort anything.

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Surfer wasn't holding back, still went down in like 2 panels.

Oh I'm sorry. You mean after Surfer had already taken a beating at the hands of an enraged Thor? I do not accept your example. give me an example of a fresh Surfer fighting to kill and a fresh thor fighting to kill. Let alone warlock fighting to kill as well.

Beating? I recall him getting hit by Thor TWICE before that instance and Thor simply tackling him down. And the hits where all Mjolnir throws as I recall. That was extent of the damage he took. How shitty do you think Norrin's durability is? He took two hits is all.

Anyways I have to go.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Beating? I recall him getting hit by Thor TWICE before that instance and Thor simply tackling him down. And the hits where all Mjolnir throws as I recall. That was extent of the damage he took.

Anyways I have to go.

Who are you kidding? A Mjolnir throw is one of the most dangerous attacks in comics. Always has been.

Originally posted by Zeuodin
Who are you kidding? A Mjolnir throw is one of the most dangerous attacks in comics. Always has been.

Fair enough. It is, hurled with Thor's strength, and it's rocked even high end beings, but Thor's blows have seemed to be above Mjolnir throws consistently.

Two Mjolnir Throws, wouldn't exactly do much, unless he was hurling it with the force he threw at Odin or Galactus, which I highly doubt. Even enraged, and in that state Thor was holding back, as seen with Drax.

Anyways later.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Fair enough. It is, hurled with Thor's strength, and it's rocked even high end beings, but Thor's blows have seemed to be above Mjolnir throws consistently.

Two Mjolnir Throws, wouldn't exactly do much, unless he was hurling it with the force he threw at Odin or Galactus, which I highly doubt. Even enraged, and in that state Thor was holding back, as seen with Drax.

Anyways later.

It also has a magical enchantment that makes it go. Wonder Woman has hurled a magical rock from Earth to the Sun. Would you say she could Hurl Thor's hammer just as hard given that kind of Strength feat?

Originally posted by Zeuodin
It also has a magical enchantment that makes it go. Wonder Woman has hurled a magical rock from Earth to the Sun. Would you say she could Hurl Thor's hammer just as hard given that kind of Strength feat?

Well... all she would have to do is throw the stone hard enough to break through the earth's atmosphere and then it would get to the sun on it's own.

Originally posted by Konton
Well... all she would have to do is throw the stone hard enough to break through the earth's atmosphere and then it would get to the sun on it's own.
So the other planets grav fields, the speed in which it got there have no part in her strength? I doubt Colossus could throw something to the sun. And I'm pretty sure he can get something out of Earth's Grav field.

Well if it was a straight shot to the sun, then the other planet's gravitational pull shouldn't matter. Not that I know very much about physics.