Thor & Captain Marvel Vs. Wonder Woman & Orion

Started by Zeuodin12 pages
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Originally posted by quanchi112
So no one near Galactus level.

I could name more impressive characters than this. Gladiator, Mangog, Durok, Loki, Abomination, Surfer and Warlock at the same time, Ares and Pluto at the same time, Hela. Need I go on? This is getting rather embarrassing.

Actually you are saying more impressive becuz of your opinon. you aren't posting anything. you aren't proving anything. Hela? Wonder Woman has beaten The Ruler of hell so How is hela more impressive than anythign wonder woman has faced? Wonder Woman has beaten a daxamite before her upgrade which has the exact same powers as gladiator so how is he more impressive? Thor beat mangog with his hammer. not a strength feat. He beat durok with energy powers. not a strength feat. He fought Surfer and warlock when enraged and they were holding back and he had the PG. Not a feat on his own. Yes it is embarrassing. for you. Wonder Woman beat Hectate who had ultimate power. She beat Ares. She blocked the Shattered God. etc. I'm pretty tired of pwning you like I have.

Konton Homo Magi

I stand by my previous assessment of of Quanchi... and I know that little by little you all are beginning to agree.

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Originally posted by Zeuodin
Actually you are saying more impressive becuz of your opinon. you aren't posting anything. you aren't proving anything. Hela? Wonder Woman has beaten The Ruler of hell so How is hela more impressive than anythign wonder woman has faced? Wonder Woman has beaten a daxamite before her upgrade which has the exact same powers as gladiator so how is he more impressive? Thor beat mangog with his hammer. not a strength feat. He beat durok with energy powers. not a strength feat. He fought Surfer and warlock when enraged and they were holding back and he had the PG. Not a feat on his own. Yes it is embarrassing. for you. Wonder Woman beat Hectate who had ultimate power. She beat Ares. She blocked the Shattered God. etc. I'm pretty tired of pwning you like I have.
Thor's beaten four rulers of death/hell. He beat one god of war and one death god at the same time. They actually went cowering in fear from him.

This isn't a strength thread. You seem to be confused about which thread you are in. Thor's stalemated Hulk before without his hammer.

This is a fight so everything he brings to the table is fair game. Seriously, his feats crap all over most top tiers so don't feel ashamed. WW is literally blown out of the water. You give examples of Black Mary's while I am pulling out Surfers, Mangogs, Plutos, Gladiators.

It's not even close.

celeyhyga17 Yawning Void
Originally posted by Zeuodin
Actually you are saying more impressive becuz of your opinon. you aren't posting anything. you aren't proving anything. Hela? Wonder Woman has beaten The Ruler of hell so How is hela more impressive than anythign wonder woman has faced? Wonder Woman has beaten a daxamite before her upgrade which has the exact same powers as gladiator so how is he more impressive? Thor beat mangog with his hammer. not a strength feat. He beat durok with energy powers. not a strength feat. He fought Surfer and warlock when enraged and they were holding back and he had the PG. Not a feat on his own. Yes it is embarrassing. for you. Wonder Woman beat Hectate who had ultimate power. She beat Ares. She blocked the Shattered God. etc. I'm pretty tired of pwning you like I have.

Opinions too.

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Originally posted by Konton
I stand by my previous assessment of of Quanchi... and I know that little by little you all are beginning to agree.
I'm sad to say that I was angry that you posted that earlier but now I can understand why. He never refutes anything. he gives blanket opinions and then takes them as fact. he dismisses any thing I post while at the same time bringing up the same one fight. i posted so many thing showing she can handle hammer strikes and Cm's fist and he just dismisses them and says oh well, those aren't as impressive as Thor and gladiator yada. terrible. just terrible.

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Originally posted by celeyhyga17
Opinions too.

None of what I said was an opinion. Spell them out. what was an opinion. I merely gave a run down of things she's accomplished.

celeyhyga17 Yawning Void

Uh oh. How the hell in the world did this turn into Thor Vs. Wonder Woman thread?!?!?!?!?!?!

celeyhyga17 Yawning Void
Originally posted by Zeuodin
None of what I said was an opinion. Spell them out. what was an opinion. I merely gave a run down of things she's accomplished.

Who's to say the ruler of hell wondy beat is more powerful than hela?

Zeuodin Restricted

Originally posted by quanchi112
Thor's beaten four rulers of death/hell. He beat one god of war and one death god at the same time. They actually went cowering in fear from him.

This isn't a strength thread. You seem to be confused about which thread you are in. Thor's stalemated Hulk before without his hammer.

This is a fight so everything he brings to the table is fair game. Seriously, his feats crap all over most top tiers so don't feel ashamed. WW is literally blown out of the water. You give examples of Black Mary's while I am pulling out Surfers, Mangogs, Plutos, Gladiators.

It's not even close.

No I gave black mary with Black ADAMS powers plus an amp from DS. That was just one feat. And Wonder Woman did it in two moves. She didn't even use any of her other powers. I tell you what. let's make this easy. tell me how thor is going to just embarrass wonder woman. In your own words. I want to know a list of moves that he can do. We already know strength wont' cut it as i've already shown her taking hits from Oblivion, Konvict, CM, Superman, And Zoom. No one has Ko'd her but a sun amped superman. so your one example against my many won't be used. Now tell me how does thor beat her?

celeyhyga17 Yawning Void

Since this has turned into Thor Vs. Wonder Woman thread, I'm gonna have to go with Thor 6.0/10. Based on what ive seen and read and taken from countless posters, Thor is Wondy's superior. Not by a whole lot, but a superior nonetheless. I started this thread because I had a preconcieved notion of Thor = Orion > Captain Marvel = Wonder Woman. This > is not by a whole lot, but just above. I'm talking about marginally more powerful when you take into account all their abilities and feats.

tideoftime Senior Member
Originally posted by celeyhyga17
Since this has turned into Thor Vs. Wonder Woman thread, I'm gonna have to go with Thor 6.0/10. Based on what ive seen and read and taken from countless posters, Thor is Wondy's superior. Not by a whole lot, but a superior nonetheless. I started this thread because I had a preconcieved notion of Thor = Orion > Captain Marvel = Wonder Woman. This > is not by a whole lot, but just above. I'm talking about marginally more powerful when you take into account all their abilities and feats.

I know Zeuodin would disagree with Thor being stronger than Orion, but I am "meh" on the subject. As for the 6/10 split, I am not opposed to that, conceptually, though I think my layered split (from the Thor/WW thread) from earlier is more on point: 5/10 is an even draw/mutual ko, 2/2 mutual fatality (no particular order of who delivers a fatal wound first, as the follow-up comes almost immediately) and a 1/10 split on one killing the other, and barely living to tell the tale. Definitive victory would be uncommon, as these two are actually more conceptually mirrored in many ways, and more directly, than a lot of other slams.

celeyhyga17 Yawning Void

If your a geek, I bet you can't wait for the upcoming GL and Thor movie!!!!!! Ryan Reynolds is playing Hal and the guy from the new Star Trek movie is playing Thor. Kirk's Father from the beginning of the movie.

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Originally posted by Konton
I stand by my previous assessment of of Quanchi... and I know that little by little you all are beginning to agree.
If you want to think so you are more than welcome. The point is when someone says something outlandish or ridiculous call them on it. Don't sit back and state someone's retarded and then 20 posts later troll again. It's against the rules and is only showing this debate matters too much to you.

Originally posted by Zeuodin
No I gave black mary with Black ADAMS powers plus an amp from DS. That was just one feat. And Wonder Woman did it in two moves. She didn't even use any of her other powers. I tell you what. let's make this easy. tell me how thor is going to just embarrass wonder woman. In your own words. I want to know a list of moves that he can do. We already know strength wont' cut it as i've already shown her taking hits from Oblivion, Konvict, CM, Superman, And Zoom. No one has Ko'd her but a sun amped superman. so your one example against my many won't be used. Now tell me how does thor beat her?
Lighting blast, hammer shots, anti matter blasts, godblast, etc. Take your pick. The guy is more powerful, has the reflexes to tag her, is strong enough to match an amping Hulk hammerless, is strong enough to oneshot Abom, is powerful enough to destroy the Surfer and Warlock simultaneously.

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Originally posted by celeyhyga17
Who's to say the ruler of hell wondy beat is more powerful than hela?
I didn't say he or she was. That is the point. he's giving his opinion about who is more impressive.

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Originally posted by quanchi112
If you want to think so you are more than welcome. The point is when someone says something outlandish or ridiculous call them on it. Don't sit back and state someone's retarded and then 20 posts later troll again. It's against the rules and is only showing this debate matters too much to you.

Lighting blast, hammer shots, anti matter blasts, godblast, etc. Take your pick. The guy is more powerful, has the reflexes to tag her, is strong enough to match an amping Hulk hammerless, is strong enough to oneshot Abom, is powerful enough to destroy the Surfer and Warlock simultaneously.


He was not fighting Surfer and Warlock at the same time on his own. Misnomer. Lightning does nothing to Wonder Woman. She's already held the actual Thunderbolt in her hand and taken Shots from Zeus. Hammer shots and anti matter blast are deflected by the shield of aegis which thor cannot break thru. Godblast is slow. he has to pray or some wierd shit for that. He can tag her maybe. It wouldn't be enough to put her down. she's already taken shots from zoom. multiple shots. zoom is far faster than Thor. She could likely block most of his punches, take the few that land or just fly circles around him. She is after all far faster. Or how about she just lasso's him and ends the fight.

celeyhyga17 Yawning Void

i think he had the power gem as stated earlier btw. in response to your one shotting surf and warlock at the same time.

tideoftime Senior Member
Originally posted by Zeuodin
He was not fighting Surfer and Warlock at the same time on his own. Misnomer. Lightning does nothing to Wonder Woman. She's already held the actual Thunderbolt in her hand and taken Shots from Zeus. Hammer shots and anti matter blast are deflected by the shield of aegis which thor cannot break thru. Godblast is slow. he has to pray or some wierd shit for that. He can tag her maybe. It wouldn't be enough to put her down. she's already taken shots from zoom. multiple shots. zoom is far faster than Thor. She could likely block most of his punches, take the few that land or just fly circles around him. She is after all far faster. Or how about she just lasso's him and ends the fight.

Not to jump to the opposing side, but I wouldn't say lightening(electricity) does nothing to her; in that recent battle with Amazo, he caught her up with mimiced electrical attack, and she couldn't move, and may have even been electricuted given enough time. Once she was freed from it, she did recover after a brief moment (indicating resistance and fast recovery, but far from immunity). As long as she can deflect it with her bracers (which she could, conceptually, any of the listed energy attacks Thor has employed in the past), then she's good, but a lucky shot, or an unprotected one, could make for a bad situation for her...

Don't succumb to hyperbolic absolutes: it will only feed into the flawed perspectives of the opposition. Diana is highly durable and nearly as strong as the big'uns, but she still has exploitable weak points.

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Originally posted by tideoftime
Not to jump to the opposing side, but I wouldn't say lightening(electricity) does nothing to her; in that recent battle with Amazo, he caught her up with mimiced electrical attack, and she couldn't move, and may have even been electricuted given enough time. Once she was freed from it, she did recover after a brief moment (indicating resistance and fast recovery, but far from immunity). As long as she can deflect it with her bracers (which she could, conceptually, any of the listed energy attacks Thor has employed in the past), then she's good, but a lucky shot, or an unprotected one, could make for a bad situation for her...

Don't succumb to hyperbolic absolutes: it will only feed into the flawed perspectives of the opposition. Diana is highly durable and nearly as strong as the big'uns, but she still has exploitable weak points.

As do they all. Thor isn't as fast as Amazo. So I can't see him getting any luck shots of that type. Amazo also has Superman plus Wonder Woman plus Martian Manhunter strength to Hold on to Diana's skull. Makes a difference.

tideoftime Senior Member
Originally posted by Zeuodin
As do they all. Thor isn't as fast as Amazo. So I can't see him getting any luck shots of that type. Amazo also has Superman plus Wonder Woman plus Martian Manhunter strength to Hold on to Diana's skull. Makes a difference.

But she said (well, thought) to herself about how she couldn't move her muscles because of the electricity. It was definitely the electrical attack that had her at that point (with Amazo obviously using a powerful alternating current against her, as he would have deduced that to be the best attack to use at that moment).

And I do have to say that while Diana's speed is a big edge over Thor, his innate divine ability allows him to fight/make attacks work against beings who have speed qualities he doesn't.

Like I said in the Thor/WW thread, my judgement on them against each other ends likely in mutual ko/death, with one defeating the other outright very unlikely... with this thread, having a fellow fast fighter, even going against a team with another speedster, gives the potential for tactical advantage... but anywho...

I think you did present the better arguement/debate in this and the other thread, and just don't want to see you stumble over points of absolutes...

D-Block Senior Member
Originally posted by Zeuodin
atlas also had the advantage over superman. Surprise surprise. It was because he was magical.

Strength is strength and CM can match SM. WW is magical and she can't match him in strength. Don't get me wrong WW is a top tier but she is not as strong or durable as the rest. But her skill will make up for that for a little while in a fight.