Lets not forget that even makarov didn't think that Erza could take on Laxus. He said that "maybe Erza could put up a fight" but obviously, he knew that she wouldn't win.
There's a reason why Laxus can stay awake while everyone including Erza fell to Mystogan's powerful sleep spell, and thats because he is stronger than all of them.
Originally posted by Q99
Yea.At the time I felt he might be around equivalent of maybe their 5 or so (iirc).
Now? Well, of the entire top 5 of Sabertooth, it seems to me like only the Guild Master's Daughter may be able to take him on head on (and that's a 'may.' She just seems the only one on a higher level than the twin dragon slayers).
Though Rufus, while certainly weaker than Natsu, would likely make a tougher fight than the Sabertooth slayers simply due to having a trickier power.
Agreed.
Mad respect.
Originally posted by gogogadgetgo
Lets not forget that even makarov didn't think that Erza could take on Laxus. He said that "maybe Erza could put up a fight" but obviously, he knew that she wouldn't win.There's a reason why Laxus can stay awake while everyone including Erza fell to Mystogan's powerful sleep spell, and thats because he is stronger than all of them.
Yea, he's stronger, but he's stronger to the point that Natsu + Gajeel was able to fight him in sustained combat and get in plenty of blows.
The team of 5 is way stronger than just the two of them. You've got someone who can put up a fight on her own, then Natsu and Gray together (and just the two of them are pretty close to Natsu + Gajeel), even assuming that Laxus takes out the weaker two first.
Oh yea, another thing- Lucy's clock summon can auto-protect one person from dangerous attacks once per battle, like when he saved Wendy from Hades.
Natsu and Gajeel did get in a lot of blows, but they didn't do diddly squat to Laxus. Before Laxus went bonkers and used Fairy Law, Natsu and Gajeel were already flat on their faces while Laxus was still fresh as a daisy.
Also, the speed difference between Laxus and all of team Natsu is very large. You can keep saying that Lucy's clock summon can do a one time save, and that they can do some team ups, but once Laxus goes lightning speed mode on them, none of them are going to be able to react. I dont like using speed blitz arguments , but judging by how Laxus fought Hades and Raven Tail, he does tend to use his lightning speed a lot.
As it stands, it all boils down to Natsu and Erza VS Laxus. The other three are nothing more than punching bags for Laxus. They will be blitz and no amount of one time summon save can save them all.
Gajeel and Natsu didn't really put up a fight, they were overwhelmed. Erza is above Gajeel but that wont make much of a difference. Back then, their power difference was too far apart.
Also, If you want to be cheezy about it, its non canon and all, but Laxus did one hit KO Natsu 😛
Also, the speed difference between Laxus and all of team Natsu is very large.
Don't forget Erza's speed armor. Lucy's Capricorn is rather quick too.
And everyone else can get a speed boost from Wendy.
As it stands, it all boils down to Natsu and Erza VS Laxus.
And Gray. You keep overlooking him. Gray is close to Natsu.
Gajeel and Natsu didn't really put up a fight, they were overwhelmed.
Not really. It was only when he got into Dragon Force mode that things really turned south.
Erza is above Gajeel but that wont make much of a difference. Back then, their power difference was too far apart.
Sure it will. She was close enough to put up a fight on her own, and the other four are worth more than N+Gajeel.
There's over twice the battle power of the previous fight here.
Because Gray has lower defense. He got wtf KO'd by Laxu's little underlings.
How can Wendy boost their stats and how can Lucy summon when they'd all be KO'ed or worst case scenario, if Laxus is out for blood, they'd be dead.
Magic amping and summoning takes time, and Laxus can and will instantly one shot KO/kill both of them. Yes, its in his character, he did it to RT. Hell, he'd even go so far as take cheap shots as shown when he hit Mystogan while he was preoccupied with looking at Erza.
We must have read different mangas, coz I remember that Laxus, even without using his dragon slayer magic, mas clearly dominating Natsu and Gajeel.
With his speed, Laxus could even take out Natsu as well, which leaves just Erza. And Erza will lose.
In summary, your arguments that Wendy can amp them, Lucy has capricorn and Grey is cool too doesnt really help much when Laxus lightning blitz them and KOs Wendy, Lucy and Grey and sends Natsu flying into the air. Only Erza will be able to react and she'd still get smacked hard.
If everything was already set and before the figtht wendy has amped them and Lucy has already summoned one of her spirits, and grey ans prepared and Erza has xquiped, sure maybe they'd stand a chance, but thats one sided prep.
Without prep, Laxus takes Team Natsu every single time. If team Natsu is allowed to prep, the Laxus should be too and he'd just use his lightning thingys and set it to spam lightning when any of team natsu moves, so yeah, laxus still wins.
Because Gray has lower defense. He got wtf KO'd by Laxu's little underlings.
He's taken plenty of hard hits and fought quite a few strong goes, and keep in mind he was in an anti-magic zone when it happened, and Bixlow is not exactly weak and hit him with a quad blast.
Remember the bit when he defeated one of the stronger Seven Kin of Purgatory?
How can Wendy boost their stats and how can Lucy summon when they'd all be KO'ed or worst case scenario, if Laxus is out for blood, they'd be dead.
Unless, y'know, he has to deal with strong foes in the way, an ice-wall goes up, Lucy's auto-protect summon happens, etc..
If he just ignores the trio to attack them and turns his back to Erza, Natsu, and Gray, all of whom are able to get hits on him, I don't think that's actually a good plan.
I'll note that Gajeel was able to yank Natsu from out of the way of one of Laxus's attacks, so it's not like it's out of the question for the stronger trio to do something.
We must have read different mangas, coz I remember that Laxus, even without using his dragon slayer magic, mas clearly dominating Natsu and Gajeel.
They were scoring more hits on him than the reverse and send him flying even, he was just able to take handle the damage and keep fighting.
Natsu was still able to flame-kick him into the ground, Gajeel stabbed him a bunch, and they both dragon breathed him.
Also, did you miss the part where Natsu actually dropped him at the end of the fight?
With his speed, Laxus could even take out Natsu as well, which leaves just Erza. And Erza will lose.
And now you're saying it's a one-on-one fight?
Natsu was fighting Laxus solo for a bit before Erza, and then Gajeel, showed up.
You seem to be acting as if "Laxus is faster, that means he doesn't have to worry about a foe at all," and that's just not how it worked in practice. He can travel fast as lightning only got about as many attacks as everyone else, and is vulnerable to attack.
When he actually did try and quickly take out Natsu, it wasn't that easy. Only his big attacks seemed in danger of taking him down, and his big attacks weren't so fast, they had enough charge that people were able to act first.
Even Raven Tail was able to strike at him between his attacks, and except for Ivan their entire team was well sub-Gray.
This team was also able to fight Hades for quite awhile who has more magic than Laxus.
Erza is a foe who he needs to deal with one-on-one, having to defend against her means he won't be able to put as much effort onto the others giving them a chance to attack, amp, summon, etc.. Or on the flip side, if he focuses on the others, it gives Erza plenty of opportunity to attack and deal real damage to him.
In summary, your arguments that Wendy can amp them, Lucy has capricorn and Grey is cool too doesnt really help much when Laxus lightning blitz them and KOs Wendy, Lucy and Grey and sends Natsu flying into the air. Only Erza will be able to react and she'd still get smacked hard.
Wow, Laxus has never done that well, ever. His blitz was one person at a time, he can't hit everyone at once like that, his attacks won't one-shot KO Gray, and when he attacks one person, the others will be able to act and attack him, meaning he'll either have to defend or take the hits.
Laxus is a beast, but you're really underestimating, well, pretty much everyone else. Natsu + Gajeel beat him, he was KOed in the end, and this team is something like two, two and a half times stronger.
New FT chapter is out and I'm loving the opening pic
http://www.mangapanda.com/fairy-tail/297 😛
I loved the Sabertooth guild master just being silently pissed.
Also nice to see who everyone's targeting ^^ Jura does seem like he'll be a better match for Laxus than Ogra (who is probably a Lightning Godslayer).
Hm, wonder why the Blue Pegasus guy wants Gajeel.
Rufus's line about memorizing it strikes me as dangerous.
Oh yes, and let's not forget:
Spoiler:
Future-Levy writing about how everyone dies and has scars on her
Originally posted by Q99
1. I loved the Sabertooth guild master just being silently pissed.2. Also nice to see who everyone's targeting ^^ Jura does seem like he'll be a better match for Laxus than Ogra (who is probably a Lightning Godslayer).
3. Hm, wonder why the Blue Pegasus guy wants Gajeel.
4. Rufus's line about memorizing it strikes me as dangerous.
5. Oh yes, and let's not forget:
Spoiler:
Future-Levy writing about how everyone dies and has scars on her
1. Smug b*tch shouldn't be such an *sshole. 😠
2. Agreed.
3. I forgot about that. Why does he want Gajeel?
4. He's going to be a problem for most people because he's a strategy player with enough magical power to be dangerous to even linear 10 Saints.
5. NOOOOOOO!!!
Originally posted by wakkawakkawakka
New FT chapter is out and I'm loving the opening pic
http://www.mangapanda.com/fairy-tail/297 😛
FT...hentai heaven. Wonder who that was.