Originally posted by dadudemon
But, that makes me think that Natsu really would have killed Jiemma had that attack connected (if it were not for his daughter redirecting the attack).
Personally I'd say that due to the extreme emotion involved, that attack was stronger than what Natsu had been throwing.
Originally posted by Q99
Personally I'd say that due to the extreme emotion involved, that attack was stronger than what Natsu had been throwing.
I'll have to disagree, what we know from the beginning till now
Erigor who was known as a really powerful mage and killed like it was nothing was owned by Natsu
Phantom's Element 4 who was known through out the land as really powerful were all owned by Fairy Tail mages. The lame part is that 3 of them lost to sub Class S mages (Elfman, Natsu and Grey).
Jose, Phantom lord's Guild Master was overpowered by a Makarov who just recovered from being ambushed by Aria (or whatever his name is)
Oracion Seis, who were known as one of if not the strongest dark guild, lost like no one's business to a bunch of sub S class fairy tail mages, one S class FT mage, one holy saint mage, and some other mages who knows how strong or weak they are.
Gerard got pawned by DF Natsu
Laxus matched up nicely with Hades and only lost due to Hades' unlimited magic supply. Not to mention, a totaly drained team Natsu KOed the shit out of him.
Elfman took on and defeated Baccus who Erza once regarded as an equal
Laxus shit stomped the entire Raven tail team including his lame dad
Natsu went into Sabertooth's lodging and beat the shit out of a lot of their members and casually pimped slapped one who was supposedly in sabertooth's top ten
Gajeel and Natsu tanked all of DF Sting's best and most powerful attacks and stood up and only getting hurt but not injured.
Natsu solos DF Sting and DF Rogue
So, with all this, it just tells me that when the core members of FT went on a 7 year Nap, those who climbed to the top only did so because no one really uber was there to beat them up.
With the return of the core members, every one and their grandmas now look like weak sauce compared to FT mages.
Every mage who are not FT mages are over rated and when faced with the real deal are whimps..except for Jura who's bald and cool.
Jiemma is probably just at most Jura or Laxus level and at least Current Natsu level..maybe lower seeing as how he got one shotted by Sting..Or maybe he's just playing around..but then again, his daughter said "good" probably confriming that he got wasted.
Originally posted by gogogadgetgo
Phantom's Element 4 who was known through out the land as really powerful were all owned by Fairy Tail mages. The lame part is that 3 of them lost to sub Class S mages (Elfman, Natsu and Grey).
To be fair, Grey and Natsu should really be considered S class mages. Especially Natsu. How many high level mages have these defeated already? The only reason they aren't considered S class is because of the overwhelming power FT S class mages have (Gildarts, Laxus, and Mistgun). At any other guild, Natsu and Grey would definitely be S ranked. I mean if Gazille was top ranked at his prvious guild, there is no way Natsu and Grey wouldn't. I see your point with Elfman though. His claim to fame seems to be taking punishment until his opponent tires.
Originally posted by gogogadgetgo
Oracion Seis, who were known as one of if not the strongest dark guild, lost like no one's business to a bunch of sub S class fairy tail mages, one S class FT mage, one holy saint mage, and some other mages who knows how strong or weak they are.
I wouldn't say they owned. In the first meeting, oracion Seis dominated the team quite easily. Even aferwards, it took combined efforts on most peoples part to pull out victories. Grey+Leon to beat Racer, Hibiki+Lucy to beat Angel, Midnight had beaten both jellal and hoteye before finally losing to Erza (an S class mage). Cobra could have won if he wasn't betrayed by Brain. And natsu needed an amp from Jellal to defeat Zero. That's not getting owned imo.
Originally posted by gogogadgetgo
So, with all this, it just tells me that when the core members of FT went on a 7 year Nap, those who climbed to the top only did so because no one really uber was there to beat them up.With the return of the core members, every one and their grandmas now look like weak sauce compared to FT mages.
Every mage who are not FT mages are over rated and when faced with the real deal are whimps..except for Jura who's bald and cool.
Jiemma is probably just at most Jura or Laxus level and at least Current Natsu level..maybe lower seeing as how he got one shotted by Sting..Or maybe he's just playing around..but then again, his daughter said "good" probably confriming that he got wasted.
I agree for the most part. FT is at the top. We haven't seen how this all out brawl is gonna go down though. Also, most guilds stack up pretty well when you compare all the guilds as a whole. Everyone besides the core team is still pretty weak. Maccao got smacked down like a punk by Baccus, and he was the interim master during the 7 year pause. I assume that means everyone else was even weaker than that. Without the core members, FT sucks.
Originally posted by Zack Fair
I <3 Wendy.Usually hate lolis but she's grown on me. Glad to see the cat dead. hahaha Wonder what the master's daughter is up to. Did she want to usurp her father's place...maybe? mmm Been watching too much game of thrones >>
With how easy it seemed for Sting, I wonder why she didn't just kill him herself. It seemed like she kinda ran things behind the scenes anyways. She did stop Jiemma from fighting further with no real protest from him. For a master, he he didn't seem like much anyways, as he got punked by Natsu and Sting. If Sting could damage him (kill him?), then Natsu could have ended him in the previous battle. Makes me wonder why they put up with his s#@$ at all.
Remember, Dragonslayer magic is amped by emotion.
That shot was almost certainly several times stronger than anything he used against Natsu. Kill a friend in front of a DS's eyes? Even a weaker one will be incredibly dangerous after that.
Natsu was pounding him repeatedly with lightning-fire and the master didn't seem to take too much damage from it before, after all.
Originally posted by socool8520
I don't think it was to be honest. His anger was strong, but he was just as dedicated to winning in the battle against Natsu. Hell, he wasn't even using dragon force when he hit jimmiel unlike when he went all out against Natsu
He wanted to win, but that can't draw out the same level of emotions. He had never even met Natsu until just before the tournament, he was just an example to prove himself again.
Like, remember waaaay back when Natsu fought the grim reaper wind guy? He wanted to win, but it was only when Happy made him mad that he was able to.
And consider Natsu when he fights Erza and gets one-shotted, compared to how he fights against people who mess with Fairy Tail. He does honestly want to beat Erza, it's just not enough. Sting was in that level when he fought Natsu.
Originally posted by Q99
He wanted to win, but that can't draw out the same level of emotions. He had never even met Natsu until just before the tournament, he was just an example to prove himself again.Like, remember waaaay back when Natsu fought the grim reaper wind guy? He wanted to win, but it was only when Happy made him mad that he was able to.
And consider Natsu when he fights Erza and gets one-shotted, compared to how he fights against people who mess with Fairy Tail. He does honestly want to beat Erza, it's just not enough. Sting was in that level when he fought Natsu.
The Erigon/Natsu fight is not the same. Natsu had not waited several years solely to defeat Erigon like Sting was with Natsu. It was his single motivation as a mage.
Also, this makes little difference solely because of the attack Sting used on Jiemma. That was his most basic attack, and even if he were pissed, it does not exceed his strongest power which is the dragon force, which he was using against Natsu.
Originally posted by socool8520
The Erigon/Natsu fight is not the same. Natsu had not waited several years solely to defeat Erigon like Sting was with Natsu. It was his single motivation as a mage.
Even that doesn't compare to what the Master did.
Natsu was the goal, but he was a means to an end of proving himself. Also, one he hadn't been able to target for 7 years at that.
Also, this makes little difference solely because of the attack Sting used on Jiemma. That was his most basic attack, and even if he were pissed, it does not exceed his strongest power which is the dragon force, which he was using against Natsu.
Point blank, rage-of-friends death... I'd say it does.
Originally posted by Q99
Even that doesn't compare to what the Master did.Natsu was the goal, but he was a means to an end of proving himself. Also, one he hadn't been able to target for 7 years at that.
The 7 years would only making the emotion and desire to win stronger, although I'll agree he was probably more upset with losing his friend.
Originally posted by Q99
Point blank, rage-of-friends death... I'd say it does.
Here is the attack you are talking about
http://www.mangapanda.com/fairy-tail/300/12
And here are stronger ones
http://www.mangapanda.com/fairy-tail/294/32
http://www.mangapanda.com/fairy-tail/295/10
http://www.mangapanda.com/fairy-tail/295/15
http://www.mangapanda.com/fairy-tail/295/16
I don't see how they compare at all. He simply caught the guy off guard is the best I can make of it. That or that Jiemma is weak. That beam was his weakest attack that he led with against Natsu and Gazille. It wasn't even amped with Dragon force.
Originally posted by socool8520
The 7 years would only making the emotion and desire to win stronger, although I'll agree he was probably more upset with losing his friend.
I'd disagree with that. As far as he knew during those 7 years, there simply was no Natsu to fight. And he was able to prove his strength repeatedly through the tournament.
His goal with Natsu was proving his strength, but he wasn't some kid who was finally getting his one shot. He's an adult who was confident he'd grown stronger than his target and happy a chance to demonstrate it returned.
Originally posted by Q99
I'd disagree with that. As far as he knew during those 7 years, there simply was no Natsu to fight. And he was able to prove his strength repeatedly through the tournament.His goal with Natsu was proving his strength, but he wasn't some kid who was finally getting his one shot. He's an adult who was confident he'd grown stronger than his target and happy a chance to demonstrate it returned.
He specifically named Natsu as the person ge wanted to defeat. That makes me believe that he was quite a bit more emotional about his fight with Natsu than any other fight besides Jiemma. He went as far as to make a promise to defeat Natsu to that cat which I assume was the most important person in his life.
It really doesn't matter though as I agree that he was more emotional about what Jiemma did then he was about fighting Natsu. Where we differ the most is whether his attack against jiemma was stronger than his attacks against natsu.
Originally posted by socool8520
He specifically named Natsu as the person ge wanted to defeat. That makes me believe that he was quite a bit more emotional about his fight with Natsu than any other fight besides Jiemma. He went as far as to make a promise to defeat Natsu to that cat which I assume was the most important person in his life.
He was also so confident in his victory he though he could beat Gajeel at the same time.
He viewed it as a proof of the power he gained, but not so much something he had to dig down deep for. Defeat was never in his mind until he'd pretty much lost.
^ That doesn't change the level of emotion he had about the fight.
If he didn't have to dig down deep, then why did he amp his power level 2 times? After being punked for the first part of the fight, he goes dragonforce to compete. After that fails, he relies on his strongest techs and even a combination with Rogue of their best techs. He realized he could lose when natsu and Gazille got up after Sting and Rogue's first barrage.
Originally posted by dadudemon
I did not want to see the cat die. I also did not want to see that Guild Master die.But, that makes me think that Natsu really would have killed Jiemma had that attack connected (if it were not for his daughter redirecting the attack).
Why is Sabertooth seeming weak? That would not have killed Makarov, imo.
Didn't Makarov almost die from a laser like attack from Hades? It was a smaller attack, and had Wendy not been around, old Mac might have died.
I think so.
Originally posted by socool8520
^ That doesn't change the level of emotion he had about the fight.If he didn't have to dig down deep, then why did he amp his power level 2 times? After being punked for the first part of the fight, he goes dragonforce to compete. After that fails, he relies on his strongest techs and even a combination with Rogue of their best techs. He realized he could lose when natsu and Gazille got up after Sting and Rogue's first barrage.
But look at his face and attitude. He never looks extremely desperate or determined. He's like, "Oh, sure, you may be doing well now, but I have dragon force, so I'm not worried."
Originally posted by Q99
But look at his face and attitude. He never looks extremely desperate or determined. He's like, "Oh, sure, you may be doing well now, but I have dragon force, so I'm not worried."
He looks determined here
http://wootmanga.com/fairy-tail/296/5/
He also looks noticeably shocked when Natsu and Gazille get back up from the dragon force barrage.
Besides, Natsu assumes he can beat everyone as well, but that doesn't stop him from going all out when the battle is on the line. There is really nothing to suggest that Sting wasn't giving it his all, and even remarks that Natsu was just too strong.