Originally posted by Zeuodin
DS only jobbers to Superman. And It's already been proven that those fights are PIS and CIS since DS can fly, fire his omegas from his hands, etc. Thus invalid according to board rules.
Originally posted by carver9
I'm not talking about fighting, she was looking at wolverine and sabertooth fight with her telepathic powers and they were moving so fast that she couldnt keep up and her telepathic powers>>>>>max lord.
Psylocke not being able to keep up with either of them is retarded.
She was able to PUNK Rogue in a fight. The same Rogue who had absorbed Quicksilver's powers.
Originally posted by KontonI wish people would see how ridiculous some of their own arguments are lol. Bringing psylock up was retarded. Especially since Max wasn't fighting anyone.
Psylocke not being able to keep up with either of them is retarded.
She was able to PUNK Rogue in a fight. The same Rogue who had absorbed Quicksilver's powers.
Originally posted by galactusischere
uh huh.
at the begining of the thread people were backing WW. after that more people were saying that Apoc would win that vise-versa.You have no evidence.
Atleast I said that Apoc has beaten/stalemated beings superior to WW and Supes. all u have managed to do is prove that WW has a superior speed(Apoc doesn't have any speed showngs).
WW has no answer to Apoc's other powers.Zeuodin can't back up hes claim that Circe is > Loki. so..I do the abc math.
Wrong. Wrong on all accounts. You still haven't satisfactorily responded to my arguments 5 or 6 pages ago. Apoc's other powers will not bother WW.
His omni-directional blast is not getting past the Aegis Shield. And unless you think that his blast is more powerful than the combined might of all the Olympian Gods, then it's not knocking her off her feet.
His ability to grow in size isn't going to trouble her, as she's dealt with foes like that in the past.
His TP is entirely useless.
You haven't provided any evidence that his strength is superior to hers.
The best you could do is show him combat Quicksilver's speed, a character who is not as fast as WW. She has a huge advantage over him. You can try to dismiss her feats as PIS, but it's not going to work. Even if you want to say that scan isn't FTL (I'm not conceding that), she has been shown to consistently move at speeds that would give Apc all types of trouble.
Diana is a being created by the Greek gods themselves. Good luck manipulating those molecules.
You somehow think that Apoc will start firing machine gun bullets at WW, and the will somehow A) get past her defenses and B) actually put her down. Neither of these is likely given her showings.
That leaves what, telekinesis?
And please, please tell me that you are not saying Apoc > Superman. It is far too early in the morning to deal with that nonesense.
I am not saying that she curbstomps him, but I really don't think he has enough advantages over her to take a lot of wins. WW has multiple one shot weapons and a huge speed advantage.
And when is the last time you actually read any Circe? I also don't like when people try to claim "Oh, well he beat Loki who is far superior to anyone WW has faced" typed arguments. WW has beaten Ares. Are we supposed to believe she is skyfather level?
ww is faster but will be partially negated by apocs teleportation, she has a strength advantage but he heals/regenerates almost instantly and can turn himself into anything from the hardest metals to malleable substances that her hand would go through or get stuck in. so physically i dont see much hurting him, same goes with the tiara. he also doesn't tire so he wont be getting slower or weaker as the fight goes. as the fight goes on i see him getting the adv. she cant stand with her arms crossed forever for the aegis and some energy/other shots will land and take their toll over time. i give apoc 7/10 ww gets 3 wins by catching him with lasso inbetween teleports.
This thread is about to become as boring as hell, so i can throw my two ceramic bits into it. 😄
1.) Comics and science do not work, almost never. They try but most of the time they do a real bad job, the infinite-infinities in Marvel and DC, mass moving at light speed on a planet etc. So throw this real life science stuff out of the window. What you are left with are two different comic companies with two different ways handling their COMIC science. Marvel treats light speed on earth the way it fits the story best, while DC uses their "logic" and allows their characters to use light speed only in space. Except Flash who doesn't has to do real damage because of the Speed Force *löl*.
2.) Carver, you words won't carry more weight if you tell over and over again that WW is one of your most fav chars. On the contrary. DBZ fans are famous for this kind of argument in Supes vs Goku threads. "I love Superman, in fact he is one of my most fav. But even I have to admit that he doesn't stand a chance against Goku. He would give him a hell of a fight though" 😆 . That's a cheap way to show how unbiased one is, and it does not work. Because in the end we all are biased (except me 😗) . We already established an hierarchy (on our limited knowledge and personal preferences) and won't accept any other.
It's easier to see where the bias of others begins then where our own starts. And i have never met a poster who isn't biased at some points.
3.) So even though the bias can be annoying we shouldn't forget that this is all about comics. Freaking comics, nothing more. It's not ok to accuse other posters or insult them.
So people, don't make me preach even more! 😒:
That said. WW fights at high speeds, she threw her lasso in space even though she was moving near the SF barrier. Superman can fight at superspeed etc. It doesn't matter if it is light speed on earth because on neutral ground when nothing can happen and everyone is allowed to move as fast as he can without their comic science behind his ass destroying every life, they will do it. WW can keep up with jesse. The speedsters in DC are faster then those in Marvel.
So Northstar is faster then Quicksilver? Cool, so is WW, Superman and Flash. Though when Superman or WW would hit an opponent 1 thousand times in less then a second, with his/her strength, they would probably kill him, that would be a bloody and boring comic, don't you think?
Of course, if you focus on WWs low feats she isn't as impressive but if you take her best feats she is a beast...
WW wins this.
Originally posted by Raptor22
ww is faster but will be partially negated by apocs teleportation, she has a strength advantage but he heals/regenerates almost instantly and can turn himself into anything from the hardest metals to malleable substances that her hand would go through or get stuck in. so physically i dont see much hurting him, same goes with the tiara. he also doesn't tire so he wont be getting slower or weaker as the fight goes. as the fight goes on i see him getting the adv. she cant stand with her arms crossed forever for the aegis and some energy/other shots will land and take their toll over time. i give apoc 7/10 ww gets 3 wins by catching him with lasso inbetween teleports.
I don't see him getting past her defenses and I don't see him avoiding the lasso. All she has to do is connect with her attack once and it's over. For him to win you're saying he's going to have to tire her out, which will take a very long time. I don't see that happening before she lassos him, decaps him or KO's him. It doesn't matter what form he turns himself into, it's not going to work against the tiara, which is magical. I don't know much about his healing factor. Has he never been knocked out? Has he shrugged of hits from someone on WW's level of strength?
Also how is he teleporting all over the place and unleashing this endless barrage of energy attacks while she is pummeling him with physical attacks or he is trying to avoid the lasso. You can't have it both ways. If Diana can't stand there forever with her arms crossed, then he is not going to be allowed to unleash this endless assault without interruption. Also keep in mind that his energy blasts will be redirected right back at him. That coupled with her speed makes your scenario less plausible.
I really don't see how he puts her down. He's not physically superior to her. He's no where near as fast. I don't see how his projectiles make it past her defenses. And most importantly, I don't see how he survives her weapons.
Originally posted by Sasaraixx
Wrong. Wrong on all accounts. You still haven't satisfactorily responded to my arguments 5 or 6 pages ago. Apoc's other powers will not bother WW.His omni-directional blast is not getting past the Aegis Shield. And unless you think that his blast is more powerful than the combined might of all the Olympian Gods, then it's not knocking her off her feet.
His ability to grow in size isn't going to trouble her, as she's dealt with foes like that in the past.
His TP is entirely useless.
You haven't provided any evidence that his strength is superior to hers.
The best you could do is show him combat Quicksilver's speed, a character who is not as fast as WW. She has a huge advantage over him. You can try to dismiss her feats as PIS, but it's not going to work. Even if you want to say that scan isn't FTL (I'm not conceding that), she has been shown to consistently move at speeds that would give Apc all types of trouble.
Diana is a being created by the Greek gods themselves. Good luck manipulating those molecules.
You somehow think that Apoc will start firing machine gun bullets at WW, and the will somehow A) get past her defenses and B) actually put her down. Neither of these is likely given her showings.
That leaves what, telekinesis?
And please, please tell me that you are not saying Apoc > Superman. It is far too early in the morning to deal with that nonesense.
I am not saying that she curbstomps him, but I really don't think he has enough advantages over her to take a lot of wins. WW has multiple one shot weapons and a huge speed advantage.
And when is the last time you actually read any Circe? I also don't like when people try to claim "Oh, well he beat Loki who is far superior to anyone WW has faced" typed arguments. WW has beaten Ares. Are we supposed to believe she is skyfather level?
Apocalypse was enhanced by celestials..
Celestials>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>........>>>>>>>>>>>....>>gods
Please don't bring Giganta into this, Apoc has restrained a Hulk that couldn't get any more madder(but still wayyy above class 100) with ease telling him that hes resistence is pointless.
Im not saying that the machine guns' bullets would get through her defenses all im saying is that they will keep her busy for a short while.
Keep in mind Apoc is alot more versatile than Diana and is more intellectual, he can think of a combo with hes matter manipulation(Apoc has also shown low level reality warping).
Ares is skyfather nowdays huh? When has he destroyed GALAXIES as side-effects of hes battles. Or when has he created a sword that obilirated an entire galaxy?
Even if Ares is skyfather(which he isn't) Loki gave SETH a good fight in Seth's realm(journey into the mystery 509-510 I think) hes realm WHILE WEAKEND. Seth was even scared of him. The next issue Seth defeated both Odin AND Enchantress(who were also weakend) OUTSIDE of hes realm.
Loki has had reality warping feats as well.
Zeuodin also created a Loki vs Ares thread...
And don'y even bring Highfather and Jobberseid into this.
Why is it so hard to accept that Apoc can't beat Wonder Woman for a majority?
See those arguing for Wonder Woman don't have to use ABC logic.
Also you keep up with the bullet argument but as I saw in that scan someone has to shoot bullets at him for him to spit them, not that it would even matter. What don't you understand about the fact that bullets are pretty much useless against Diana? Also his intellect isn't going to help him at all here, neither will his non-offenseive matter manipulation or size manipulation. You admit that Hulk was at base level which by all indications is much weaker (not to mention slower and dumber) than Diana.
Originally posted by Omega Vision
Why is it so hard to accept that Apoc can't beat Wonder Woman for a majority?
See those arguing for Wonder Woman don't have to use ABC logic.
Also you keep up with the bullet argument but as I saw in that scan someone has to shoot bullets at him for him to spit them, not that it would even matter. What don't you understand about the fact that bullets are pretty much useless against Diana? Also his intellect isn't going to help him at all here, neither will his non-offenseive matter manipulation or size manipulation. You admit that Hulk was at base level which by all indications is much weaker (not to mention slower and dumber) than Diana.
The base Hulk that Apoc restrained was waaay above class 100.
The people arguing for WW have proved NOTHING other than speed.
Apoc has matter manipulation, so whats going to stomp him from turning a part of hes body into a machine gun or whatever. If bullets are useless why does Diana have to block them with her bracelets?
What makes you think that Apoc's matter manipulation is non-offensive?
He has created beings 10x stronger than humans from ONE LIMB. He has turned people INTO STONE.
High Evo considered Apoc a worthy enemy(HE has gone toe-to-toe with big G). Loki tried to recruit Apocalypse for hes scheme. Uatu even said that after Onslaught was done with earth, only Apoc and Uatu would remain. Most people really tend to underrate Apocalypse, and your one those people
Originally posted by galactusischere
The base Hulk that Apoc restrained was waaay above class 100.
The people arguing for WW have proved NOTHING other than speed.Apoc has matter manipulation, so whats going to stomp him from turning a part of hes body into a machine gun or whatever. If bullets are useless why does Diana have to block them with her bracelets?
What makes you think that Apoc's matter manipulation is non-offensive?
He has created beings 10x stronger than humans from ONE LIMB. He has turned people INTO STONE.High Evo considered Apoc a worthy enemy(HE has gone toe-to-toe with big G). Loki tried to recruit Apocalypse for hes scheme. Uatu even said that after Onslaught was done with earth, only Apoc and Uatu would remain. Most people really tend to underrate Apocalypse, and your one those people
Originally posted by Omega Vision
Right because Diana has never blocked machine gun fire before...oh wait she totally has.
Stop using ABC logic and things that have nothing to do with the fight at hand.
Wonder Woman is resilient to matter manipulation anyway. Plus you act as if speed isn't much of a boost when in fact it makes all the difference, Apoc won't be able to lay a hand on Diana.
Please show me the scans in which Diana resisted Molecular manipulation.
So ur saying that Diana curbstomps Apoc? Apoc WILL TELEPORT.
Teleportation>speed
BTW telekenisis and teleportation can make a good combo.
Originally posted by galactusischere
What im saying is that Diana's going to have her hands full blocking bullets(omni-directional)Please show me the scans in which Diana resisted Molecular manipulation.
So ur saying that Diana curbstomps Apoc? Apoc WILL TELEPORT.
Teleportation>speed
BTW telekenisis and teleportation can make a good combo.
Originally posted by galactusischere
The people arguing for WW have proved NOTHING other than speed.
And you've proved... what exactly?
Apocalypse can redirect bullets? lol
Diana's speed feats trump his.
Diana's strength feats trump his.
Diana's equipment easily trumps his arsenal.
If you have any way to refute these facts, I'd be surprised.
Originally posted by Omega Vision
Has he ever teleported casually in battle?
He teleports to avoid HE's beam..(even if u say that is not teleportation then its FTL)
http://media.photobucket.com/image/apocalypse%20high%20evolutionary/scanscans/powers24.png
Im not sure about this one, I think he teleports at the end
http://g.imagehost.org/view/0409/Xforce16-015
http://g.imagehost.org/view/0497/Xforce16-016
Originally posted by Konton
And you've proved... what exactly?
Apocalypse can redirect bullets? lolDiana's speed feats trump his.
Diana's strength feats trump his.
Diana's equipment easily trumps his arsenal.If you have any way to refute these facts, I'd be surprised.
Apoc can teleport so her speed is NON-FACTOR
Apoc is a jobber so he doesn't have many impressive strenght feats but in hes respect thread there are scans of him getting as strong as he wants though the scans don't work.
Lol Diana's equipment>Celestial tech nowdays?
