Originally posted by Mshinu
Ninj[B]utsu is the Japanese art.Ninjitsu is an american invention by Frank Dux, a somewhat... questionable induvidual.
At least get the spelling right 😉 [/B]
thats the difference between me and you, maybe i dont know how to spell it correctly but i got experience in the world of martial arts while you only got your spelling so have fun with spelling the word "victory" because all you can do is spell it while other people taste it 😉
Originally posted by valtiz
thats the difference between me and you, maybe i dont know how to spell it correctly but i got experience in the world of martial arts while you only got your spelling so have fun with spelling the word "victory" because all you can do is spell it while other people taste it 😉
Yeah, well I am sure you are quite the master. Why do you think I have no training in the arts anyway?
Originally posted by valtizWell, to be someone who evidently has extensive knowledge in MA, I'm surprised you are unaware of Sanshou.
you are going to cross me based on wikipedia? i am a kung fu practitioner myself i learned muay thai, shotokan karate, kung fu both classic and modern so i didnt even read the crap you posted as soon as i saw "wikipedia" , when you are going to argue with someone you better bring some experience and not some website because you are too fat and lazy to practice it yourself
Lol, nice ad hominem to distract from the fact that you didn't know about the combat sport side of Kung Fu.
Btw, I don't study traditional MA, I do Krav Maga. 🙂
I love people who attend McDojo's at their local mini-malls run by a guy who basically created his own certificates on his PC. Dont get me wrong, that nonsense is cool to enroll your kids as a afterschool program or a daycare alternative, but look around the web and you'll see tons of videos of these "black belts" getting stomped out by kids wearing pants 5 sizes too large and no formal training at all.
Its for people to lie to themselves basically. They assume by going to a class thats basically glorified pilates, that they are more credible than just buying a belt. Regardless, karate, kung fu, and its offshoots are typically ineffective. I think everyone at some point in their life knew a kid in school who went to these classes and got trounced.
Well.. in this age of McDojoism and selling out I agree that most places teach watered down versions of the arts. For people who want to really train the most important thing is to find a good teacher. It doesen`t matter so much which art, sure they are different but they all build upon the same principles. Tae Kwon Do is an example of an art that has been horribly comercialized but you can still find old style dojangs that teach the real stuff.
Originally posted by redhotrashThe arts themselves are not ineffective, it is the schools and teachers that water them down.
Its for people to lie to themselves basically. They assume by going to a class thats basically glorified pilates, that they are more credible than just buying a belt. Regardless, karate, kung fu, and its offshoots are typically ineffective. I think everyone at some point in their life knew a kid in school who went to these classes and got trounced.
If you think Karate is ineffective look up Lyoto Machida, if you think Kung Fu(Sanda, Sanshou) is look up Cung le.
Lyoto isnt primarily a karate practitioner. You have no pure martial artists in mma anymore because they cant stand on their own in those sorts of competitions. Regardless of their roots, they almost all get boxing and wrestling or jujitsu experience. Watch the early days of UFC and such and you'll see the sport before it evolved. I stand by my stance on them being ineffective.
LOL, Ive been watching Lyoto since K-1, back when everyone said he was boring and didnt give him a 2nd look. Hell people said that in UFC until he destroyed Rashad. Kind of shown a light on UFC fans for being the hypocritial parasites they are. Also, you have a very arrogant attitude about these things. Believe it or not you arent the first/only person to get on board with these things. Granted most people are posers, but to assume they all are is setting yourself up for failure.
Originally posted by redhotrashYes, I'm well aware I'm not the first, but you are the first person I've ever seen say Lyoto's primary MA isn't Karate, including Lyoto himself. 😬
LOL, Ive been watching Lyoto since K-1, back when everyone said he was boring and didnt give him a 2nd look. Hell people said that in UFC until he destroyed Rashad. Kind of shown a light on UFC fans for being the hypocritial parasites they are. Also, you have a very arrogant attitude about these things. Believe it or not you arent the first/only person to get on board with these things. Granted most people are posers, but to assume they all are is setting yourself up for failure.
He uses jujitsu just as much as his karate, if not more. Only recently has he really been winning based on strikes. Also to be fair Lyoto isnt really the dominate fighter hes sometimes made out to be. Lot of decision wins, including a HIGHLY questionable one against a guy who's best years are behind him.
So when he's standing up striking he's using bjj?
We are obviously talking about his striking, which is primarily, if not only karate. Even if we include all aspects of his fighting he uses karate more.
Anyway, my point was that karate is an effective art, and the fact that Lyoto has won fights due to striking proves that.