Mickey the Pikey versus Mike Tyson.....

Originally posted by Riot-Gear
Except that Filch, Draco, Snape. Were all able to come and go and they all meant harm to Hogwarts. Further unlike Death Eaters, Clone Troopers are not evil per se.

You have evidence that electronics/technology don't work, right? Because if you don't your assertion is mere speculation that runs counter to a host of on screen evidence.

As far as my mention of light. I was speaking of exterior light, not the candles inside, you know light given off by the sun and the moon. That like air and animals. Has no problem breaching the shield charm. In fact so far the only thing that has bounced off the shield charm is a Death Eater. The very being the shield would have been put up, to keep out.

Not realy the best evidence that it'll keep out everything. So now that we have established that the shield charm is to specific to help and their is no evidence of an anti-tech spell in effect. It comes down to the respective fire power and skill of the two groups in question.

Clones are not evil per se, good call, but they will have ill intent towards the wizards.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Well, Snape was trusted by Dumbles, and Draco was surely admitted by Filch every time. Sure, if a Death eater came to the gate and Filch admitted them, they get past the shield charm.

Clones are not evil per se, good call, but they will have ill intent towards the wizards.

The biggest question of course then is how does Filch get in and out? For that matter how does he, a muggle, drop the charm? If for some reason the gate itself is weak/not magicaly reinforced. Then thats where the Clones would come threw.

Though so far rampant speculation and half assed explinations aside. Their has been no evidence to suggest that the charm can keep out anything besides Death Eaters.

Again Filch, The Malfoy's, Snape etc all meant to do harm and all got threw. Things like evil teachers, giant snakes, trolls, big spiders, giants dragon etc etc also managed to pass. Besides the already mentioned mundane things like birds, rodents, air, light, rain, snow etc etc.

Again the only thing the charm stopped was the specific creature Hogwarts was at war with. Makes sence in a way. A more generic spell and you could accidently keep out air, or light, or wreck the local eco-system.

You are forgetting that the shield charm was in effect only in THBP. The trolls, snakes, shit like that, that was in the earlier movies.

Filch was already in, and he was a squib, perhaps the shield was to permit squibs? Everyone had to be admitted onto the grounds, not just the students, so once admitted by Filch, there you have it, they bypass the shield. If Filch said "OK, come on in Clones", surely they would be able to pass.

The shield was obviously designed for a purpose, to keep out those with ill intent, unless they were admitted.

Tyson wins that, too. 😉

Sure he does, champ, sure he does.

Well...he has more chance against the Jedi/Sith/Clones than Weedy Harry.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Sure he does, champ, sure he does.

Well all those pages....all those threads.....all the humilation and laughter aimed at you by all the posters.

And you're still nowhere near proving otherwise. 🙂

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
You are forgetting that the shield charm was in effect only in THBP. The trolls, snakes, shit like that, that was in the earlier movies.

I'll point out that at least so far as this thread goes, not time line was established for Hogwarts, but basicaly what you are saying is that. During any other film Hogwarts would be humped. With out the shield I mean.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi

Filch was already in, and he was a squib, perhaps the shield was to permit squibs? Everyone had to be admitted onto the grounds, not just the students, so once admitted by Filch, there you have it, they bypass the shield. If Filch said "OK, come on in Clones", surely they would be able to pass.

Filch is non-magic. How does he drop the charm? Added to which even if we assume they can't pass the shield, note this hasn't been proven, but for the sake of argument. Lets go with it. The question becomes what can get past the charm. Grenades?, Remote Controled vehicles/vehicles ona collision course, blaster bolts, missiles etc. Why I ask because other non-living and some living things got threw. Such as weather, wildlife, light etc. More over how far down does it extend or how far up does it go. Could the Clones frag it from orbit? crater the groound underneath it. In fact regardless of how far it extends gravity is shown to function like normal inside. So if the Clones destabilized the surrounding ground the entire castle would tumble over.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi

The shield was obviously designed for a purpose, to keep out those with ill intent, unless they were admitted.

Oh now it's got an "unless admitted" clause on it. Sorry the only thing we know for sure that it keeps out is Death Eaters.

Lets run with it a minute though. Clone commander says hey Filch. "Let us in we'll blast the place to rubble then turn it over to you and yours to with as you please."

Originally posted by Riot-Gear
I'll point out that at least so far as this thread goes, not time line was established for Hogwarts, but basicaly what you are saying is that. During any other film Hogwarts would be humped. With out the shield I mean.

Filch is non-magic. How does he drop the charm? Added to which even if we assume they can't pass the shield, note this hasn't been proven, but for the sake of argument. Lets go with it. The question becomes what can get past the charm. Grenades?, Remote Controled vehicles/vehicles ona collision course, blaster bolts, missiles etc. Why I ask because other non-living and some living things got threw. Such as weather, wildlife, light etc. More over how far down does it extend or how far up does it go. Could the Clones frag it from orbit? crater the groound underneath it. In fact regardless of how far it extends gravity is shown to function like normal inside. So if the Clones destabilized the surrounding ground the entire castle would tumble over.

Oh now it's got an "unless admitted" clause on it. Sorry the only thing we know for sure that it keeps out is Death Eaters.

Lets run with it a minute though. Clone commander says hey Filch. "Let us in we'll blast the place to rubble then turn it over to you and yours to with as you please."

There was an Auror there with Filch, and Snape.

The only thing we know for sure is that it kept out people trying to get in.

This debate has been done to death, dude.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
There was an Auror there with Filch, and Snape.

The only thing we know for sure is that it kept out people trying to get in.

This debate has been done to death, dude.

Was their its been a spell sence I saw the film. I was going off you saying a Death Eater bounced of and ended it their. How did Filch get back in in the end. Cause surely he intended har and he couldn't admitt himself?

Even if the shield blocks Clones their is no real evidence that it'll do the same against grenades, missiles etc. Nor does it stop the Clones from simpley fraging the near by ground and causing the castle to topple.