Reality Manipulation Vs Molecule Manipulation

Which is better?
or are they the same effect just different sources of power?

Example MJJ or Mxy for reality manip
Molecule man for Molecular manip

Reality manip is far better/greater imo as you can manip anything including time and space as well as matter along along with others things( this depends on how powerful a warper you are though)

Equals.
Mm in secret wars was affecting the multiverse... Since all things all comprised of molecules... He could even read minds...

Where might mm be useless... Possibly in a universe that had no molecules... But if mm was there he'd still have his own molecules to manipulate

when mjj was dropped into a reality that no longer existed he had nothing to affect... And essentially became powerless as reality in that dimension no longer existed. I also can't remember a reality manipulator reading thoughts

A reality manipulator could just give himself telepathy.

Also, Beyonder did iirc.

Would beyonder be considered only a reality manipulator or simply someone that had a bunch of powers already like an abstract or Thor or whatnot

moleculer manip canot affect stuff like light energy gravity time & all that

reality warp > moleculer manip

MM is call "molecule man" but he can also warp reality

Reality manipulation, its not even close. Now a high level molecular manipulator can beat a low level reality warper but nothing except another high level reality warper, a true omnipotent, or a multiversal abstract can beat a high level reality warper generally.
To summarize: matter manipulation still obeys (to some degree) the laws of thermodynamics and physics. Reality warping does not.

Originally posted by Omega Vision
matter manipulation still obeys (to some degree) the laws of thermodynamics and physics.

Originally posted by Mindset
Not in comics.

Like turning someone into angry water?....

Yes, a matter manipulator can turn you into water, a reality manipulator can turn you into a glass of water that talks with a french accent and calls itself Henri Depardieu.

reality manipulator by far.

A Reality Manipulator can make Up down and Down mean left. It's on a whole other level. they make telepathy =water if they want to.

Originally posted by Zeuodin
A Reality Manipulator can make Up down and Down mean left. It's on a whole other level. they make telepathy =water if they want to.

take mjj, hes also suppose to be reality warper but never did that kinda stuff (all his tricks were basicly matter manip)

Yeah, but he was certifiably insane from all that power, so was Jamie Braddock, but MJJ was actually a multiversal threat.

essentially: molecule manipulation allows a character to create a galaxy. reality manipulation allows a character to create a galaxy... inside of a soda can.

Originally posted by KingD19
Yeah, but he was certifiably insane from all that power, so was Jamie Braddock, but MJJ was actually a multiversal threat.

take a matter manipulator at the abstract level and compare him to a reality warper at the universal/multiversal level...

trying to compare the feats of each is a bit... pointless... don't you think.

Originally posted by Omega Vision
Yes, a matter manipulator can turn you into water, a reality manipulator can turn you into a glass of water that talks with a french accent and calls itself Henri Depardieu.

How do you compare the feats of two people when one has a greater level of power? For example:
which is better optic blasts like cyclops or heat vision from say superman...

Besides mm there are not many pure matter manipulaters at the levels of what you guys compare to reality warpers...

I can't even think of one. So u guys win I guess?

Originally posted by rotiart
How do you compare the feats of two people when one has a greater level of power? For example:
which is better optic blasts like cyclops or heat vision from say superman...

Besides mm there are not many pure matter manipulaters at the levels of what you guys compare to reality warpers...

I can't even think of one. So u guys win I guess?