Originally posted by Enzeru
Not sure I agree with that line of thinking.In theory a molecule manipulator can do much of the same things. Molecule Man in Dark Avengers was affecting Norman Osborns memories. According to Molecule Man memories are made out of molecules as well and therefore he has control over them. So molecule manipulators have control over more abstract concepts and laws. On top of that there is always the creation of sentient life. They can do that as well. Even if it means to create sentient snow with Wolverines for claws.
The writer may have simply took the materialistic approach toward the matter and regarded consciousness/thoughts as simply the interactions/firing of neurons inside the brain. Neurons are made of molecules and thus can be manipulated. Nothing abstract about that...
Originally posted by twt
Hey operator, one question. Sentry is a truly reality warper? Because in a Dark Avengers summary's says that he twisted the reality.
No he isn't a reality warper. He's a powerful molecular manipulator.
Originally posted by RealityWarper
I'm glad that we agree that's the same power with different names.PS: You are trying to correlate real life science with comic books... That's a battle lost in advance.
Eh, what? You do realize im mentioning fundamental and basic laws of physics which every single comic book adheres to?
For god's sake are you actually telling me that the universe is not made up of space and time? And that matter/energy merely exist inside the universe and are not its fundamental constituents?
Originally posted by RealityWarper
*sigh*More bullshit...
Reality Manipulators cannot manipulate reality if there is nothing too.
So again:
Reality Manipulation = Molecule Manipulation.
Here is Mad Jim Jaspers, whom cannot manipulate reality, because there is no matter or energy to manipulate:
"The sculptor of reality has run out of his clay."
This truly shows how clueless you are.
The fury transported MJJ outside reality, outside space/time. That's why it is shown as being like a white blank page, it is devoid even of space and time. So yes, in a "place" where space/time nor matter/energy exists what is there left to warp? You're using a false example, because, say, you remove all matter from the universe, guess what? the universe still exists, there is space and time. A reality warper can still distort and shape that universe to his will. He can still shrink it, he can still warp it any way he likes. While the molecular manipulator? He can't do jack since there are no molecules to manipulate.
1) https://imgur.com/a/snOIUkL
2) https://imgur.com/a/pGPeIep
Look at those two examples, carefully. And try to understand the difference between them.
example #1: the illuminatrix transmutes the molecules of all physical matter, and manipulates its molecular structure according to its wielder's whims. It is merely affecting physical matter.
example #2: MJJ distorting the space in which said physical matter exists. Get it? Physical matter exists within the spatial fabric which a reality warper can manipulate. That spatial fabric is not made of molecules and can only be manipulated by a reality warper.
There are of course many more applications for reality warping. Altering history retroactively or erasing something from the 4D continuum are two examples.
With that said, this is my last post. I am actually leaving the forum and not coming back in the foreseeable future so i won't respond anymore.