Oh gawd, james2099
I'm going to give Carver leader status there...
Anything with Carver in it, is directed at the Carver gang from now on.
Anywazy Carver, long story short, planet busting really means nothing when characters are so close in power. Superman is not a destructive fighter either, so I can't see how this point is even brought up. I mean, using this logic, Glads is above Thor as well as far as hitting power goes, and that's just rediculous. Hell, Hal is above Thor in the power department using planets as a measurement (or was it Kyle... or both, can't remember). Even Terrax can destroy a planet...
The best examples are still punching another person in the face, not punching an inanimate object.
Originally posted by Blanket
Oh gawd, james2099I'm going to give Carver leader status there...
Anything with Carver in it, is directed at the Carver gang from now on.Anywazy, long story short, planet busting really means nothing when characters are so close in power. Superman is not a destructive fighter either, so I can't see how this point is even brought up. I mean, using this logic, Glads is above Thor as well as far as hitting power goes, and that's just rediculous. Hell, Hal is above Thor in the power department using planets as a measurement (or was it Kyle... or both, can't remember). Even Terrax can destroy a planet...
Hal and Arisia did it with that robot thing. or do you mean another time?
Originally posted by -Pr-That was with explosives.
Hal and Arisia did it with that robot thing. or do you mean another time?
No, I have the image of a GL and a planet, and the GL shooting it, and bye goes planet. 90's ish I'm pretty sure. It might have to do with a recreated planet too, but I might be crossing them.
I'm pretty sure it was Hal.
It was Kyle. While fighting Paralaxxied Hal.
Also, planet-busting decades old make-no-sense feats are what count more than direct performances against the characters from their respective universe.
It's why Beta Ray Bill's status went to "OMGZ" levels after Stormbreaker against a no-name only to get humiliated against Surfer, no matter how much I (or some others) tried to excuse it. Or why Gladiator's actual combat performance is irrelevant because he destroyed a planet in the 80s.
Originally posted by Philosophía
It was Kyle. While fighting Paralaxxied Hal.Also, planet-busting decades old make-no-sense feats are what count more than direct performances against the characters from their respective universe.
It's why Beta Ray Bill's status went to "OMGZ" levels after Stormbreaker against a no-name only to get humiliated against Surfer, no matter how much I (or some others) tried to excuse it. Or why Gladiator's actual combat performance is irrelevant because he destroyed a planet in the 80s.
Originally posted by Kris BlazeHe really shouldn't have to be, because as 'Blanket' has pointed out........bricks with the same level of power to one another should not nessacerily be considered above the other because they have performed a feat that the other hasn't.
This guy is pissed as shit because Superman never destroyed a planet.
How many times has Glads propelled a planet through the heavens like supes has or literally flew right through a sun undamaged?.........not to say that Glads can't do likewise......but Supes has many times, and also bare in mind that G is far more destructive with the power at his commandm as opposed to supes who holds back and is far more conscious concerning the unprotected life around him.
Originally posted by carver9As the king of low balling you shouldn't be calling anybody out son 🙄
Yeah, he stood on the planet but it was far away from being the size of deleware since it did have about 8 moons surrounding it. 😕Gladiator has planet crushing strength and he proved this. Dont try to discredit his feat because Superman doesnt have anything proving that he is a planet destroyer.
Originally posted by Blanket
But that was the point as a lot of those feats don't translate into 'busting a planet', and as such, will put him far below Glads in Carver's computer brain.The closest Supes has is when him and Zod were wrecking up the planet under the red sun I believe.
Zod and Superman was connected to the planet, thats why it was being destroyed. They did nothing physically to the planet to make it explode, their licks had no effect.
Originally posted by Blanket
That is not planet busting.And he flew through the moon... I don't recall him destroying it.
You're talking about the Hal/Supes team up pushing Earth?
Also, he pushed Warworld after he sundipped (unless there's another time I'm overlooking).
Just a funny thing, but I remember getting told that Superman should be able to easily absorb a supernova because it's sun... but anyway, didn't Gladiator fly through an exploding sun?Not that I'm saying that Glads is better than Supes, but when it comes to these pointless ' he detroy moar", Glads clearly has him beat, and Superman just doesn't have 'planet busting' showings. Not to say he couldn't of course, but he doesn't have the showings where he just goes out and wrecks shit. And that's the sort of stuff that will always drive people like Carver to ignorantly believe that he is not on a characters level who could do so. And it shouldn't matter to you, since Superman has so many other wtf moments, that one thing like that shouldn't matter.
Otherwise we'd be putting people like classic Drax (destroyed planetoids/small sun), and Hyperion (ran through planet and iirc caused a sun to explode) above Superman... when it's obvious that they uh... aren't. 😐
Even though you are talking about my mind 🙁 , you are right, this is what I'm looking for. They have no proof and used scans in ways that it shouldnt be used. I'm not the only one that does not think that he has that strength. I just know Supes level of strength and I know its not on the level where they are putting him at which is kind of obvious.
Originally posted by Blanket
Oh gawd, james2099I'm going to give Carver leader status there...
Anything with Carver in it, is directed at the Carver gang from now on.Anywazy Carver, long story short, planet busting really means nothing when characters are so close in power. Superman is not a destructive fighter either, so I can't see how this point is even brought up. I mean, using this logic, Glads is above Thor as well as far as hitting power goes, and that's just rediculous. Hell, Hal is above Thor in the power department using planets as a measurement (or was it Kyle... or both, can't remember). Even Terrax can destroy a planet...
The best examples are still punching another person in the face, not punching an inanimate object.
I never said that Supes WOULDNT give glads a fight but it pretty clear that glads is stronger and more durable.
Every feat that involves Supes strength wise is thrown out of the window. Example, the current moon feat where it took all of the Kryptonians to move the moon. They call it a low showing but Superman never in his ENTIRE career soloed a moon. Then we have him ramming a moon and almost dying from it, when has Superman ever did anything similar to that so they throw that out of the window as a low showing. Then we have Superman soloing a pyramid but he's straining, that was also thrown out of the window.
I'm not calling him weak, I know the character but I sure as hell wont put him on the levels that he's not suppose to be at and thats including thor. I never said that thor has planet crushing strength but I did say that he has moon busting strength since he physically crushed one during battle.
Originally posted by -Pr-
that's a flat out lie, dude.
I dont low ball anyone, I show each character their respect. I go by feats, on panel showings, etc... as my judgement. Every character that I debate for and debate against, I give a solid reason on why I'm doing so and PR, I have told you that you were right on numerous of occasions, because sometimes you are right but other times we just bump heads but I never say that you are wrong, I just ask you to show me some kind of proof backing up your claim.