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Kris Blaze Restricted

Originally posted by darthgoober
Couldn't the opposite be said though? Like even though it doesn't make sense for Hal to have been affected by Crisis since he was absent from the reboot it's just how it is?

Sure, if the comics have claimed/shown to this to be the case.

Which they have not.

darthgoober Senior Member

Originally posted by Kris Blaze
Sure, if the comics have claimed/shown to this to be the case.
Which they have not.

But it can be said that they HAVE shown it to be the case since Hal never had to meet Supes again after the Crisis. That means that Hal was on Earth with Supes during the portion of Supes's history that got changed. Hal(at least from what I know) still had a childhood and a family, grew up, became a pilot, and ended up with a GL ring... in a rebooted universe.

Kris Blaze Restricted

Originally posted by darthgoober
But it can be said that they HAVE shown it to be the case since Hal never had to meet Supes again after the Crisis. That means that Hal was on Earth with Supes during the portion of Supes's history that got changed. Hal(at least from what I know) still had a childhood and a family, grew up, became a pilot, and ended up with a GL ring... in a rebooted universe.

Naturally, everybody who has interacted with Superman had their universe changed. But we do not assume that this magically erased all of his feats. We don't assume a character's past has been completely rebooted whenever one of their friends undergo a retcon 😐

darthgoober Senior Member

Originally posted by Kris Blaze
Naturally, everybody who has interacted with Superman had their universe changed. But we do not assume that this magically erased all of his feats. We don't assume a character's past has been completely rebooted whenever one of their friends undergo a retcon 😐

It's not just one of hal's friends, it's damn near all of them(outside the GLC anyway). It's his mother and his father and his kindergarden teacher. It's his Officers from the Airforce and all the people he saved after getting the GL ring. It's the villains he fought between getting the ring and the original Crisis as well as the heroes he fought with. These people all remember Hal being right there beside them in their rebooted universe where things things were different than they were the first time around. So unless there's proof that he's walking around with 2 sets of memory's...

But now that I think about it this isn't really an appropriate place for this discussion. I'll save what I have to say on the matter if/when it comes up in one of my matches.

Kris Blaze Restricted

Retconned by Johns, not the COIE.

And I don't give a shit. Pr can deal with this, he's going with Hal.

id369 The Man of Tomorrow

But I give like 10 shades of shit!

-K-M- ...........

Comet came out of the Crisis unaffected as his feats in Strange Adventures and Secret Soceity of SUper Villians have been referenced in Legion '90, R.E.B.E.L.S, Mystery in Space and Rann/Thanagar Wars.

Bentley Seitei

Originally posted by -K-M-
Comet came out of the Crisis unaffected as his feats in Strange Adventures and Secret Soceity of SUper Villians have been referenced in Legion '90, R.E.B.E.L.S, Mystery in Space and Rann/Thanagar Wars.

That's the great advantage of having around three showings 😖hifty:

-K-M- ...........

Originally posted by Bentley
That's the great advantage of having around three showings 😖hifty:

Indeed and the fact that he was one of the first superheroes, so this allowed him to exist and never crossed any other superhero in Strange Adventures so he didn't have to deal with the retcon incidents. Even Secret Society is pre-crisis, but it is one of the stories that is often referenced even on New Earth to have exisied ie. Identity Crisis 🙂

-Pr- Hey Yo!

Hal wasn't rebooted by the crisis. Neither where the Lanterns or their power source or their capabilities. This is supported by the comics themselves. The only major reboot/retcon to the Green Lanterns was (as Kris said) by Johns, and even he has referenced pre/circa crisis shit during his stint.

id369 The Man of Tomorrow

Let me place this in lamer terms, so members can understand where my concern comes from.

Its not about the background being changed or what not. It’s the fact that since CoIE, characters simply don’t have the same display’s of extravagant abilities prior to CoIE.

It matters not, if the Hal or Captain Comet past/history was left in tact. Just that they are no longer operating in the same power levels as previously seen since CoIE.

Kris Blaze Restricted

Originally posted by id369
It matters not, if the Hal or Captain Comet past/history was left in tact. Just that they are no longer operating in the same power levels as previously seen since CoIE.

Fortunately, they do.

-Pr- Hey Yo!

Originally posted by id369
Let me place this in lamer terms, so members can understand where my concern comes from.
Its not about the background being changed or what not. It’s the fact that since CoIE, characters simply don’t have the same display’s of extravagant abilities prior to CoIE.
It matters not, if the Hal or Captain Comet past/history was left in tact. Just that they are no longer operating in the same power levels as previously seen since CoIE.

and therein lies the issue. Hal was almost exactly the same post crisis and up to his death as he was during the latter part of the pre crisis years, so the difference is pretty negligible when it comes down to it.

id369 The Man of Tomorrow

Originally posted by Kris Blaze
Fortunately, they do.

They do operate on the same powers levels now, compared to 20-30 years ago?mhmm

Hall can still move planets, and reform from being split?

Captain Comet instant adaptability is still akin to Doomsday, with enough brute strength to K.O. GLs?

-K-M- ...........

Originally posted by id369
It matters not, if the Hal or Captain Comet past/history was left in tact. Just that they are no longer operating in the same power levels as previously seen since CoIE.

Actually Comet has gotten stronger as the years progressed quite drastically until Mystery in Space when they gave him a new body.

Originally posted by id369
Captain Comet instant adaptability is still akin to Doomsday, with enough brute strength to K.O. GLs?

akin to Doomsday? I wouldn't go that far, and why not? Kalibak has ko'ed Green Lanterns before.

batdude123 Fellow Tu Quoqumber

People, Kahn and I already Ok'd Pre-Crisis feats for Hal and Captain Comet.

So let's put this little matter to rest.

id369 The Man of Tomorrow

Originally posted by -K-M-
Actually Comet has gotten stronger as the years progressed quite drastically until Mystery in Space when they gave him a new body.
akin to Doomsday? I wouldn't go that far, and why not? Kalibak has ko'ed Green Lanterns before.

He has gotten stronger, by how much? Previously he K.O. Hal, did he reach such peak to do same say Superman?

Do we have a reference and demonstration post CoIE, of Captain Comet's astounding strength?

-K-M- ...........

Originally posted by id369
He has gotten stronger, by how much? Previously he K.O. Hal, did he reach such peak to do same say Superman?
Do we have a reference and demonstration post CoIE, of Captain Comet's astounding strength?

He was close to Superman's strength, but I wouldn't say stronger.

Yep in L.E.G.I.O.N. he was fighting Lobo (while he was being mind controlled) and getting the better of him and prior he was taking on LEGION too.

id369 The Man of Tomorrow

I don’t feel like bringing it up anymore.

But anyhow that’s my concern regarding CoIE.

Damn it Kandy where are you? 🙁

TheKahn The Dude abides

Originally posted by batdude123
At this point, I'll set a deadline for Monday at 5:00 pm EST.

Translation: you guys need to move you asses. 😐

No hard deadline =\= no deadline at all

And my personal apologies to Leo and Galen. The screw-up on their central tactic was my fault. Any crap that results should be directed at me. 🙁