Batdude123 and TheKahn's Holiday Herald Tournament

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For all of those using Lanterns in the tournament, we have an announcement. Power Ring duplication and distribution is legal (I imagine most of you were planning on doing that anyway). The burden is still on you to prove that your non-Lantern character can actually use the rings, however.

I know this might bring up the question of certain characters exceeding the Herald limit. But given the challenge of proving that other characters can use the ring and the other ways I'm sure some of you are planning to mesh each of your team's powers, were going to give people some wiggle room here.

Well if you don't think rings are going to make people exceed the limit, what was the point in banning cyborg superman from having his rings? Under these rules you could attain the same effect anyway. That's silly.

Cyborg with rings=over herald
Cyborg with rings (created during prep)=not over herald somehow?

Not all rings have the ability to duplicate itself.

It was more of a theoretical question.

Originally posted by King Kandy
Well if you don't think rings are going to make people exceed the limit, what was the point in banning cyborg superman from having his rings? Under these rules you could attain the same effect anyway. That's silly.

Cyborg with rings=over herald
Cyborg with rings (created during prep)=not over herald somehow?

I can understand the confusion. During the draft the herald limit was meant to limit the draft pool to a certain level of characters. That is why the few characters that are clearly over the herald limit were banned. We just felt that there were not enough Thanoses, Superboy Primes, Desperoes, etc. to go around.

The problem is that with prep time, I'm sure every team is going to enhance the abilities/power/attributes of every single one of their teammates to the highest level possible. And since we have no clear and authoritative way to judge these enhancements, we have to give people a little more room.

This brought up the question of Lanterns being able to create and distribute rings to their teammates. We decided to allow this as everyone had a chance to draft a Lantern if they wanted to and technically still can. As for Cyborg Superman, I don't believe a power ring will make him more powerful than some of the other power meshes that people will try and use.

Originally posted by id369
Not all rings have the ability to duplicate itself.

You can't really prove that 😬

Hal's done it, Kyle's done it.

How did Sinestro get so many rings for his army?

Originally posted by Blair Wind
You can't really prove that 😬

Hal's done it, Kyle's done it.

How did Sinestro get so many rings for his army?

Originally posted by Blair Wind
You can't really prove that 😬

Hal's done it, Kyle's done it.

How did Sinestro get so many rings for his army?

Not to mention the Qwardian rings are for all intents and purposes almost exactly similiar to the Oan ones. Those two rings have more in common functionality wise than the other colored ones, IMO, probably due to them both being toward the center of the emotional spectrum.

Originally posted by id369
Not all rings have the ability to duplicate itself.

As with many other claims, its something one must prove to the judges during the matches.

Originally posted by TheKahn
I can understand the confusion. During the draft the herald limit was meant to limit the draft pool to a certain level of characters. That is why the few characters that are clearly over the herald limit were banned. We just felt that there were not enough Thanoses, Superboy Primes, Desperoes, etc. to go around.

The problem is that with prep time, I'm sure every team is going to enhance the abilities/power/attributes of every single one of their teammates to the highest level possible. And since we have no clear and authoritative way to judge these enhancements, we have to give people a little more room.

This brought up the question of Lanterns being able to create and distribute rings to their teammates. We decided to allow this as everyone had a chance to draft a Lantern if they wanted to and technically still can. As for Cyborg Superman, I don't believe a power ring will make him more powerful than some of the other power meshes that people will try and use.

Originally posted by King Kandy
But the thing is, both drafts and meshing are capped at "herald level". It baffles me how you can have "herald level" apparently mean two different things here. Cyborg Superman w/ rings is over one "herald level", but he isn't over another... it seems like you aren't even following your own rules with any consistency here.

the meshing is simply more flexible than the drafting.

as long as it stays under the limits, duplicating your rings is fine. i guess some feel that hank with all of his rings is over the limit from jump, thus the ban.

jake is just going to make sinestro create a ring for hank anyway.. 😬

Originally posted by Blair Wind
You can't really prove that 😬

Hal's done it, Kyle's done it.

How did Sinestro get so many rings for his army?

Originally posted by King Kandy
But the thing is, both drafts and meshing are capped at "herald level". It baffles me how you can have "herald level" apparently mean two different things here. Cyborg Superman w/ rings is over one "herald level", but he isn't over another... it seems like you aren't even following your own rules with any consistency here.

Because I have a sneaking suspicion that there is going to be a great deal of disagreement on whether or not one team's meshing is above the limit and another team's is not. Are we going to have a multi-page debates over every team's mesh plan to make sure we all reach a consensus that they're under the limit?

Thus we have to give people a little more room with power meshing than we did in the draft. So long as a team doesn't create a neigh-unbeatable team busting character that can win the entire tourney by themselves, I don't know what other standard we could use. If we knew everyone's plan before hand maybe we could approve them all individually, but that just isn't practical.

Personally, I don't think adding power rings to any of these characters makes them over the herald limit (ie it took the Daxamite Green Lantern Sadam Yat possessing the Ion entity just to make him a match for SBP).

This issue just came up or we'd have addressed it earlier. Still, there is ample time for everyone to change their characters/plans if they wish to. I'm sorry if people disagree, but figuring out how to deal with all the possible issues and problems that come up isn't easy. We're dealing with them as fairly as we can. 😬

Jake was specifically told that he could not have Hank with the rings 😐

It would be akin to drafting Annihilus without the bands and then making a pair for him, thus putting him above the high herald level. It says in the rules that we're not supposed to put 'em above the high herald limit in power meshing, so let's not 🙂

If everyone wants to ban item duplication that is something we can discuss, otherwise I'm not certain we should cripple the Lanterns esp. if others intend to do something similar with other items of significant power. 😬

BTW, we wouldn't have allowed a lot of characters with significantly more abilities, but that is the entire goal of power meshing is it not?

Originally posted by TheKahn
If everyone wants to ban item duplication that is something we can discuss, otherwise I'm not certain we should cripple the Lanterns esp. if others intend to do something similar with other items of significant power. 😬

BTW, we wouldn't have allowed a lot of characters with significantly more abilities, but that is the entire goal of power meshing is it not?

Originally posted by Kris Blaze
Additional abilities is one thing, but going above the high herald cap is another. A green lantern ring would definitely put anyone who is already in the herald category above it. They've already been given a significant power-up now that they do not have any restrictions on the amount of power that they have.

It is illegal to give baseline human Lanterns superhuman powers in addition to rings as well?

Since there seems to be some objections here, Batdude and I will discuss this further and attempt to clear up this issue. Everyone else is free to share their opinion on the matter in the meantime. Again, we're not trying to be draconian with decisions, but keep things as fair as possible.

Originally posted by Charlotte DeBel
It is illegal to give baseline human Lanterns superhuman powers in addition to rings as well?

Originally posted by TheKahn
Since there seems to be some objections here, Batdude and I will discuss this further and attempt to clear up this issue. Everyone else is free to share their opinion on the matter in the meantime. Again, we're not trying to be draconian with decisions, but keep things as fair as possible.