Originally posted by Juk3n
prove it.your still focused on the title of "super soldier" the fact remains this is flawed and that isnt my opinion.
Saying Cap wins Because "he has teh super soldier syrum" DESPITE the facts that the person we have pitted him against has accomplished the same/better feats is delusional. You can't argue like that. That sh!t does not compute.
Let go the labels, look at the EVIDENCE.
Me: Evidence says she's faster and has equal or better reactions.
You: But that can never be true, Cap has the syrum and is beyond what un-enhanced people can achieve.
Me: I hear you...but she has the feats to prove it.
You: But it's not possible because Cap has teh Syrum.
Me: facepalm
basically you keep repeating what you're saying (she has feats to prove it) and which is why i keep repeating what i'm saying (she's still not stated to be above peak human). and we'll keep repeating ourselves till this gets to 200 pages.
😄 peace
i don't disagree that elektra has good speed feats. all i'm saying is that capt has some pretty good ones too, and debating on feats will get us no where coz they both have pretty high showings.
Originally posted by FrothByte
you keep repeating what you're saying (she has feats to prove it)
yes i know im repeating, but the key thing..
the one key thing you're failing to realize..
the only thing that MATTERS in a vs thread is that
Originally posted by
FrothByte (she's still not stated to be above peak human).
facepalm
doesn't MATTER.
What matter is what is SHOWN, not stated. There is no argument. There is no 2 sides to this story. We judge by what is shown not what the bios state, if we went with bios, VS thread would all be 1 page long.
Batman vs Cap
"Cap has SSS, he's more than Batman will ever be naturally"
"Oh, never mind then"
would make for a pretty shite vs board.
Originally posted by Battlehammer
The reason she gave was becuase he holds back when she doesent, not because she was actaully better.
That's a bit more of a stretch than what I observed. Since she was taunting him telepathically, it makes more sense that she'd be flaunting her own superhuman traits and bragging about how they give her an advantage.
Originally posted by Konton
That's a bit more of a stretch than what I observed. Since she was taunting him telepathically, it makes more sense that she'd be flaunting her own superhuman traits and bragging about how they give her an advantage.
Originally posted by Juk3n
yes i know im repeating, but the key thing..the one key thing you're failing to realize..
the only thing that MATTERS in a vs thread is that
facepalm
doesn't MATTER.What matter is what is SHOWN, not stated. There is no argument. There is no 2 sides to this story. We judge by what is shown not what the bios state, if we went with bios, VS thread would all be 1 page long.
Batman vs Cap
"Cap has SSS, he's more than Batman will ever be naturally"
"Oh, never mind then"would make for a pretty shite vs board.
Not that it definitively puts him over Electra cause mystic training can do wonders for someone's stats so it IS theoretically possible that she's as fast(or even faster) than Cap, but if that's the case it just means that Electra is metahuman.
Originally posted by darthgoober
Cap has feats to back his being the pinnacle of "peak humans" though. Stuff like outrunning bullets to their targets and then blocking them, running at nearly 60 mph for extended stretches while carrying someone(I think it was Bucky or Rick), and having Daredevil(who pretty much has "peak human" speed) outright say that Cap is faster.
also I still dont think capt out ran the bullet (which is uttelry absurd) becuase based on the art they never would have landed on the target, it makes more sense that it was three other shots which is much more believable and sitll pritty rediculous.
when did DD say capt was faster?
Originally posted by darthgooberNot that it definitively puts him over Electra cause mystic training can do wonders for someone's stats so it IS theoretically possible that she's as fast(or even faster) than Cap, but if that's the case it just means that Electra is metahuman.
Originally posted by Battlehammer
That would not support him beign peak-human at all sicne there clearly supperior. it supports him being super human which he isalso I still dont think capt out ran the bullet (which is uttelry absurd) becuase based on the art they never would have landed on the target, it makes more sense that it was three other shots which is much more believable and sitll pritty rediculous.
when did DD say capt was faster?
I have to disagree there, I mean Red Skull has Cap's level of hand eye coordination and he's been shooting folks for a LONG time, so unless other shots were depicted(like via sound effect) I don't think we can assume the first shots missed. I know it's an unreal feat, but those are the kinds of feats you have use to show that he's above people who can bat away bullets on a near daily basis.
I don't remember the exact circumstances, but DD was coming out of a building out of costume and Cap whizzed by him so fast that DD couldn't identify him. DD said that he was faster when he was trying to catch up immediately thereafter. I know that it's technically just "running speed", but it also demonstrates a greater overall muscle speed IMO since we're not talking about two people who've been training themselves for completely different tasks(like a track star and martial artist).
Originally posted by darthgoober
I believe the same, but as long as Marvel keeps on billing him as the pinnacle of human potential what are we going to do?I have to disagree there, I mean Red Skull has Cap's level of hand eye coordination and he's been shooting folks for a LONG time, so unless other shots were depicted(like via sound effect) I don't think we can assume the first shots missed. I know it's an unreal feat, but those are the kinds of feats you have use to show that he's above people who can bat away bullets on a near daily basis.
I don't remember the exact circumstances, but DD was coming out of a building out of costume and Cap whizzed by him so fast that DD couldn't identify him. DD said that he was faster when he was trying to catch up immediately thereafter. I know that it's technically just "running speed", but it also demonstrates a greater overall muscle speed IMO since we're not talking about two people who've been training themselves for completely different tasks(like a track star and martial artist).
They were depicted, you can see were his gun is aim and were the bullets hit all of which missed the guy.
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Originally posted by namorsubby
elektra might have speed.....and maybe skill, but not strength or durability or stamina......cap has the weapon advantage as well.
She's got the durability advantage hands down.
Nobody is arguing she'd win this forum fight, his equipment and her being stuck with only the sai makes this somewhat unfair for Elektra.
Originally posted by BattlehammerAre you crazy or just plain silly. My Grandmother knows that anything but sais aren't her standard equipment. Over 90% of her appearances have her fighting either bare handed or with sais. This is common sense. I don't care what recent issues you saw, we take a character as consistent to their entire career.
No your wrong for instance in agent of shield she never even used her sais. Your logic is god awful, even if she did uses her sias the msot that does not make her other weapons she consistently uses not standard equiptment, by your logic batmans only standard gear would be his batrangs.......
Elektra isn't even in the top 5. Captain America is clearly in the top 3.
Not that I accept it but CA can best someone who moves faster than a bullet at times and has future forewarning (Spider-man). So this still remains a dumb thread. Have CA fight without his shield vs. her and just her sais and then we can argue.
Originally posted by h1a8
Are you crazy or just plain silly. My Grandmother knows that anything but sais aren't her standard equipment. Over 90% of her appearances have her fighting either bare handed or with sais. This is common sense. I don't care what recent issues you saw, we take a character as consistent to their entire career.Elektra isn't even in the top 5. Captain America is clearly in the top 3.
Not that I accept it but CA can best someone who moves faster than a bullet at times and has future forewarning (Spider-man). So this still remains a dumb thread. Have CA fight without his shield vs. her and just her sais and then we can argue.
1. Elektra has just as many appearances with her katana than she does with her sai.
2. Elektra not in the top five? lol
3. ugh
Originally posted by Battlehammer
They seem to be going the enhance route now.They were depicted, you can see were his gun is aim and were the bullets hit all of which missed the guy.
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When do you see a bullet hit anything but Cap's shield? Were there vases breaking in the background or holes materializing in the wall or something?