Captain America vs Elektra

Originally posted by namorsubby
More importantly, does Elektra ever have and/or use telepathy in fights with anyone worth mentioning(non-cannon fodder, etc)?

In Elektra: Assassin, she simultaneously warped the minds of two SHIELD Agents AND Nick Fury (was was watching the whole thing from an unknown location on camera) and had them all convinced that they nearly killed her and had her hooked up to machines when in actuality they were experimenting on their own agent and she had made her escape.

She also bodyswapped for a period of something like an upwards of 4 months.

Originally posted by jinzin
Elektra can make herself bullet proof, read minds, make illusions and use a silent scream.... how the hell did you concluded that Logan's MA is "leaps and bounds" better?

Elektra can't win period, but it has nothing to do with MA knowledge on either side, nor physical prowess... 😬
She'll lose everytime because of Wolverine's HF plain and simple.

In a straight point match she'd probably beat Logan. It's a simple matter of stylistic matchups between them, he's not well suited to her point wise.

also at deadline

when did she become peak? last i checked she was olympic.

Originally posted by King Castle

when did she become peak? last i checked she was olympic.

Well what the heck are you reading Bio's for anyway? 😕 You can't possibly be judging by feats, because her SUPER human feats are pretty well documented.

Originally posted by Juk3n
Well what the heck are you reading Bio's for anyway? 😕 You can't possibly be judging by feats, because her SUPER human feats are pretty well documented.

to me elektra is just olympic lvl high end but still olympic... aside from her feats which do boarder on the superhuman its due to her amps and psi manipulation.. but her borderline non powered or amp state she is still physically olympic..

if some one is going to call her peak they better pull out shield files or bio's to confirm it otherwise i am going to call them out

Originally posted by King Castle
i said no chi amp of any kind even TP... and the reason he knows more is b/c he knows more MA from across the world then her.. for whatever reason they dont allow logan do go the mystic route doesnt mean she is more skilled.. i know he cant use chi due to him being spiritually unbalance with the man and beast thing.. that doesnt mean she is more skilled either.

also at deadline

when did she become peak? last i checked she was olympic.

But her chi amping/mind manip/etc is all the result of her physical and mental training in martial arts. She doesn't have superpowers granted by some outside source, they're all learned abilities.

You can't just say oh well Logan's better.....because he just is in spite of her having much more impressive use of her MA abilities. Likewise, there's no sense in giving the Logan the benefit that his skill outweighs hers simply because of the quantity of what he's learned. Both of them are listed as level 7's and display as much.

pure physical fight she gets her SH#@ kicked in the same way DD did when he faced cap.. that is the bottom line.

her impressive skills are chi manipulation and psi same as shang and IF still doesnt make her anymore impressive then them in physical attributes..

logan made light work of shang as well better skilled and better fighter better attribute then shang in a purely physical fight. again elektra pure physical fight gets walked over by cap

Elektra was wrecking superskrulls and brushed off a full on slam from Luke Cage. She's not getting 'walked over.'

she is getting walked over.

It's like arguing with Quanchi...

Originally posted by Konton
Elektra was wrecking superskrulls and brushed off a full on slam from Luke Cage. She's not getting 'walked over.'

Co-signed.

How the hell does she lose the same way DD did when she's made short work of DD herself?

Y'know who Wolverine HASN'T been able to walk over like Shang Chi? Elektra.

I guess the only question here is whether or not you're comfortable simply writing off Elektra's physical feats of speed, strength, durability and power because you think she's chi amping for all of them.

Personally, I myself am not though I can see why you would think that's the case.

So I guess if her physical stats are directly a result of chi amping she does get toasted by an SSS induced Cap... which pretty much makes this a spite thread.

And, if they aren't, then that's a different story.

Originally posted by Konton
It's like arguing with Quanchi...

❌

no, i actually reference moments and dont use PIS to defend one or the other...

cap has his shield if elektra tries to stab him while he blocks chances are her sais will break thats not counting cap purposely slicing them off..

this assuming both block each other which is giving them both the benefit and what the results would be.

Originally posted by King Castle

also at deadline

when did she become peak? last i checked she was olympic.

Pretty sure I've seen it in bios.

Originally posted by jinzin
Co-signed.

How the hell does she lose the same way DD did when she's made short work of DD herself?

Y'know who Wolverine HASN'T been able to walk over like Shang Chi? Elektra.

I guess the only question here is whether or not you're comfortable simply writing off Elektra's physical feats of speed, strength, durability and power because you think she's chi amping for all of them.

Personally, I myself am not though I can see why you would think that's the case.

So I guess if her physical stats are directly a result of chi amping she does get toasted by an SSS induced Cap... which pretty much makes this a spite thread.

And, if they aren't, then that's a different story.

tell me how well did elektra do when she fought shang chi?

her speed and attributes and whatnot are all vague when she faces canon fodder its impressive from their point of view it wouldnt be to another enhanced human.

the whole elektra story where she pulls insane stuff has always bn vague.. i chalk it up to her amping one way or another from sensing some one other side of a wall and even blurring and what appears superspeed hell even then it may only appear that way to canon fodder and not to DD or cap.. her blocking a bullet is can be argued as an illusion or a chi amp of some kind.. same with how shang chi distributed the attack from the warbound dude.

either way it doesnt matter in this fight here b/c if you want to use her top showing that isnt even consistent nor standard otherwise she wouldnt be dodging bullets or other attacks then cap can use his top feats against non canon fodder and his are just as impressive with actual superhuman ppl...

the fact that she is even an annoyance to logan is due to his cis and fighting style cap has a completely different style and there is no terrain for her to hide in in a forum fight nor shield agents nor is he brainwashed..

There is nothing vague about Elektra: Assassin. In fact, the narrative goes through her physiology and the course of events in EXCRUCIATING DETAIL almost every time she does something lol. It even goes so far as to explain her neurochemistry!

I can guarantee you didn't read it.

Originally posted by King Castle

either way it doesnt matter in this fight here b/c if you want to use her top showing that isnt even consistent nor standard otherwise she wouldnt be dodging bullets or other attacks then cap can use his top feats against non canon fodder and his are just as impressive with actual superhuman ppl...

I think you might be right about that.

Originally posted by King Castle
when did she become peak? last i checked she was olympic.

She was a gold medal Olympic gymnast when she was 14 (or 12 I forget) and she has been amped several times since then. Peak human is a low ball.

Originally posted by King Castle
which reference are u using again? the one shot with elektra and logan that didnt even fit continuity whatsoever nor knowledge of one another and she would have had to bn a child at the time when they 1st met? or the video game tie in that isnt canon that you bn arguing past yr or so that it is?

Now you can continue to ignore the other evidence, where Logan's superhuman physicality meant diddly while Elektra retrained his ass... or when she beat him down in EOTS, or when he gave her some pretty phenominal props while fighting Gorgon.... but that's just... well... kinda sad and it only goes to show what you're willing to put on the back burner to advance your position which included wild ideas like Wolverine's MA being head and shoulders above Elektra's... something that's still staggering my brain atm.

Originally posted by King Castle
tell me how well did elektra do when she fought shang chi?

Originally posted by King Castle
her speed and attributes and whatnot are all vague when she faces canon fodder its impressive from their point of view it wouldnt be to another enhanced human.

Originally posted by King Castle
the whole elektra story where she pulls insane stuff has always bn vague.. i chalk it up to her amping one way or another from sensing some one other side of a wall and even blurring and what appears superspeed hell even then it may only appear that way to canon fodder and not to DD or cap.. her blocking a bullet is can be argued as an illusion or a chi amp of some kind.. same with how shang chi distributed the attack from the warbound dude.

Originally posted by King Castle
either way it doesnt matter in this fight here b/c if you want to use her top showing that isnt even consistent nor standard otherwise she wouldnt be dodging bullets or other attacks then cap can use his top feats against non canon fodder and his are just as impressive with actual superhuman ppl...

Originally posted by King Castle
the fact that she is even an annoyance to logan is due to his cis and fighting style cap has a completely different style and there is no terrain for her to hide in in a forum fight nor shield agents nor is he brainwashed..

Originally posted by Konton
There is nothing vague about Elektra: Assassin. In fact, the narrative goes through her physiology and the course of events in EXCRUCIATING DETAIL almost every time she does something lol. It even goes so far as to explain her neurochemistry!

I can guarantee you didn't read it.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
She was a gold medal Olympic gymnast when she was 14 (or 12 I forget) and she has been amped several times since then. Peak human is a low ball.

Now, I just want to get something clear with you people. I'm not arguing that Elektra is decisively > Cap or Wolverine....
In fact quite some time ago (maybe around when I first got on these forums) Srank made the argument that Cap, Wolvie and Elektra were all in contention for being the top MU earthbound MA and that's something I can get behind and totally agree with.

The fact of the matter is that a fight between Elektra and either of these two is NOT going to come down to brute strength, it's NOT going to come down to sheer speed, it NOT going to come down to reflexes, and it sure as hell is NOT going to come down to a difference in MA ability. They are ALL too close in every regard for it to really be a deciding factor in any fight between them.

The reasons why Logan and Cap have an advantage on Elektra comes down to the simple fact that they can tank more damage and have a physiology made to compensate for it. She has to focus her abilities to tank the stuff that either Logan or Cap can take in stride without thinking about it. It's the only reason reason why they can walk away with a healthy majority.

All this crap about Wolveirne being > Elektra in MA. Or Steve's physical stats being oh so>>>> Elektra is a bunch of conjecture that isn't supported in the comics and it certainly doesn't make a legitimate debate here.

Now... WITH SAIS, Elektra has a much better chance of incapacitating Cap, but it's probably still an uphill battle for reason's previously mentioned.