Originally posted by King Castle
there are a lot of one shots in comics that are not considered canon even entire series b/c continuity doesnt fit the MU...it isnt me nit picking its calling BS when i see it same with the 1st class why is it that the 1st time they met was in the x men comic in japan? yet again the writer screwed up and had logan meet him again back in the 70's or 80's i am assuming?logan didnt lose a fight with shang again look at the mindset he went in looking to learn from shang and was annoyed with him was he saprring half @$$? yes but he didnt lose anything that wasnt a fight anymore then when logan is training kitty or storm and they trip him and he congratulates them.. he wouldnt have died from the fall, he could have clawed his way back up and if logan fell into a rage or wanted to kill shang he would have.
plus this early version logan still wasnt up on par with how he is now... it was an earlier version more then likely less skilled as well
now if you want i can give you a list of canon stories that the majority dont acknowledge as canon nor MU editing staff will not comment nor acknowledge as canon:
one is snikt if i recall another is Punisher and him dying and being an angel of vengeance nobody touches that sh#$.
but you want to count two examples that dont fit in logan;s history?
how many f#@@ up stories are there about logan past that you and others ignore b/c you know it doesnt fit with his character and his history?
First things first. With Shang chi, Logan ended up hanging upside down in the air didn't he?
Maybe that's not a loss by your definition but it certainly looks like one to me...
Is that a definitive loss? is Wolverine vastly more skilled now? All this is debateable... The point is that it wasn't a true fight but Logan DEFINITELY got his ass served; even so it's not a proper estimation of their abilities right? And if you can recognize that then you should also be able to recognize that Elektra playing with Shang (and NOT getting served anyways) is ALSO not a proper estimation of their abilities... Now how about some consistency with that logic of yours?
Now... again, BOTH published works were intended to be canon.
That's all there is to it.
Whether you want to accept them or not is certainly your perogative, and you are well within reason to discard them if you like but that doesn't change the FACT that they were written intended to be canon material.
So yeah, it is you nitpicking when you auto-reject something like that. Because the only reason we really choose to reject non canon material is due to the fact or possibility that the characters are slightly or vastly different from their 616 counterparts.... when the characters are written intended to be 616 material and they don't show any recognizable deviation from their counterparts, your insistance to throw it out becomes more of an excuse on Logan's behalf than reason. Especially when it's supported by two other instances that are without a shadow of a doubt canon.
As for these stories that I ignore because it doesn't fit with Logan's character?....... Like. What? 😐
Originally posted by King Castle
also elektra doing as good as she did with logan during training was all a result of his mindset and him being unsure of himself which elektra took advantage of as she even stated it as she goated logan.. it wasnt she was better skilled or fighter logan was still struggling with himself and trying to reclaim his humanity.. yeh, good job for elekrta kicking logan and logan not knowing how to respond simply growling re asserting himself popping his claws and then housing them just so she can keep screwing with him.. if i recall logan after he manage to regain a lil measure of control grabbed her sword in mid swipe and kicked her over him.. saying he wasnt going to play her game.
lol actually it was Wolverine who got disarmed... after he said he wasn't playing games anymore... but before Elektra kicked him from pillar to post across the entire rooftop. 😬
I really don't put much salt into that example either.... but it certainly proves that someone having Caps physical stats (at the time his strength and speed were likely superior too) isn't enough of a reason to give them the win vs. Elektra.. which should have been obvious the moment Elektra flatlined Silver Samurai.... 😐
