Draft Round 1: Batdude123 and TheKahn's Holiday Herald Tournament

Originally posted by Digi
lmao

Speed Force?! Phoenix's?! Directors, do yourselves a favor and read through this:
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&postid=8474873#post8474873
...and then do yourselves another big favor and ban everything on the loopholes list. I absolutely guarantee you'll have fewer headaches.

If not, meh. It's your call. But don't say you weren't warned.

Yeah, we tried to do that with the rules at the start of the draft. 😬 We just have a few characters come up who've arguably crossed the high Herald limit or the banned powers. We're trying to be fair and take it one character at a time. 🙂

Originally posted by TheKahn
Yeah, we tried to do that with the rules at the start of the draft. 😬 We just have a few characters come up who've arguably crossed the high Herald limit or the banned powers. We're trying to be fair and take it one character at a time. 🙂

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Let me, PR or Digi know if/when we need to intervene regarding posts, edits, etc.

if zoom is banned so must the silver surfer since his time manipulation powers exceed zooms and are better and can directly affect the offense. Zoom does not use time control in the generic sense. And anyone who is fast enough can actually keep up with him.

Sorry, but we're fully aware of his capabilities.

Zoom is out.

Originally posted by batdude123
Sorry, but we're fully aware of his capabilities.

Zoom is out.

Originally posted by Zeuodin
I object to Silver Surfer. He has massive Time manipulations abilities and is a DIRECT violation of the rules. I object to Kyle Rayner being used. His constructs are kin to Summoning since they can have thier own personalities and even tap the speed force. I object to Genis Vell. He is trans tiered. Unless someone thinks Zoom has any chance in hell against King Thor?

I'm pretty sure Zoom could survive a brief encounter as well

Originally posted by Starscream M
genis didn't really do anything to king thor

I'm pretty sure Zoom could survive a brief encounter as well

Originally posted by Zeuodin
I object to Silver Surfer.

No.

Originally posted by Zeuodin
I don't care I just don't like zoom, Who can't fly, can't transmute, doesn't even have super human durability, being banned while the Gods of KMC are being drafted.

I quit. My handicapped character can't get in but the effing silver surfer can. Ridiculous. I only want Zoom cuz he can shoot stuff from his hand and Wally can't.

Zoom Runs fast.

Silver Surfer could turn the ground to mud and Pwn Zoom in a second.

Originally posted by Zeuodin
I quit. My handicapped character can't get in but the effing silver surfer can. Ridiculous. I only want Zoom cuz he can shoot stuff from his hand and Wally can't.

Quit bitching.

Also, your teammate is going to be disappointed.

Originally posted by Zeuodin
I quit. My handicapped character can't get in but the effing silver surfer can. Ridiculous. I only want Zoom cuz he can shoot stuff from his hand and Wally can't.

Zoom Runs fast.

Silver Surfer could turn the ground to mud and Pwn Zoom in a second.

Originally posted by Zeuodin
I"m making a point. Zooms powers do not effect time as a weapon. They only allow him to move fast and hit hard. Surfer on the other hand can stop time, go back in time etc. He's far better at time manip than Zoom could ever hope to be. Genis is more powerful than Silver Surfer. Is he skyfather? Maybe not but he's trans for sure. I don't care I just don't like zoom, Who can't fly, can't transmute, doesn't even have super human durability, being banned while the Gods of KMC are being drafted.

Smh...

Originally posted by darthgoober
Yeah Surfer can do all that stuff involving time manipulation... but he's not allowed to for this tourney because time manipulation is against the rules. I'm sure that if you wanted to draft Zoom but forgo the use of his ability to manipulate the timestream they'd ok him 😉 .

In other words, he'd be powerless...

Originally posted by illadelph12
Smh...

Originally posted by Zeuodin
I quit. My handicapped character can't get in but the effing silver surfer can. Ridiculous. I only want Zoom cuz he can shoot stuff from his hand and Wally can't.

Zoom Runs fast.

Silver Surfer could turn the ground to mud and Pwn Zoom in a second.

I'm sorry we can't accommodate everyone but past experiences from other tournaments suggests that certain characters and certain power types need to be banned to keep things fair and avoid controversy and large scale complaints. We are banning characters not to be dicks or jerks, but to try and keep things fair for everyone involved in the tournament. 😬

I wish we could ok everyone and make everybody happy, but the reality is that that just isn't possible. l hope that everyone can understand our decisions even if they do not agree with all of them.

I'm going to give this example and then everyone can twittle thier thumbs.

Zoom is banned because he manipulates time relative to himself. Now the rules were made so no one could manipulate time relative to the battle.

Let's say someone picked metamorpho. He is a molecule manipulator. which is also banned. But guess what. he only does it to himself.

Now, I'm sure he would be allowed. Why not zoom when both characters have powers that are banned for offensive purposes but Not on themselves.

Answer the question. Why can't zoom manipulate himself to run fast but Metamorpho can manipulate himself into adamantium?

matter manipulation is banned for use on opponents. The rules specifically say it can be used on yourself.

Time manipulation, on the other hand, is banned across the board.

Originally posted by Zeuodin
I'm going to give this example and then everyone can twittle thier thumbs.

Zoom is banned because he manipulates time relative to himself. Now the rules were made so no one could manipulate time relative to the battle.

Let's say someone picked metamorpho. He is a molecule manipulator. which is also banned. But guess what. he only does it to himself.

Now, I'm sure he would be allowed. Why not zoom when both characters have powers that are banned for offensive purposes but Not on themselves.

Answer the question. Why can't zoom manipulate himself to run fast but Metamorpho can manipulate himself into adamantium?

The argument against him that most concerns me (and the one I didn't think of to begin with) is that because of his time manipulation - based powers, Zoom would automatically get the drop on any other character regardless of of their own speed/reaction times. This become an even bigger issue when one considers the possibilities of power meshing him with other herald level characters. Its an unfair advantage that can't really be matched or countered by other teams given the rules. 😬