Draft Round 1: Batdude123 and TheKahn's Holiday Herald Tournament

Originally posted by King Kandy
matter manipulation is banned for use on opponents. The rules specifically say it can be used on yourself.

Time manipulation, on the other hand, is banned across the board.

Originally posted by TheKahn
The argument against him that most concerns me (and the one I didn't think of to begin with) is that because of his time manipulation - based powers, Zoom would automatically get the drop on any other character regardless of of their own speed/reaction times. This become an even bigger issue when one considers the possibilities of power meshing him with other herald level characters. Its an unfair advantage that can't really be matched or countered by other teams given the rules. 😬

Originally posted by Zeuodin
When Surfer Amps who ever is on his team with a cosmic version of the Odin Force, tell me about what can't be matched or won't be fair. 🙂

Originally posted by King Kandy
That would be banned, because you aren't allowed to amp higher than herald level.

Originally posted by Zeuodin
No. The PM I got from the Event Coordinator said Time manipulation was banned for offensive purposes. Absolutely no reason Zoom can't use it to run fast. If I wanted someone Who could run fast I could have picked someone faster than Zoom with more powers as There are other lesser known speeders who can do what Zoom can. I want Zoom because he can shoot hand blasts. Other speedsters can't do that.

Originally posted by Zeuodin
When Surfer Amps who ever is on his team with a cosmic version of the Odin Force, tell me about what can't be matched or won't be fair. 🙂

That won't be allowed much like any version of the Phoenix Force. Odin Force > herald limit. As we said, any power meshing that clearly puts any character(s) over the herald limit will be banned. Skyfather level power is clearly over the limit.

Originally posted by TheKahn
- Meshing Limit: Power amping is allowed as long as it does not put a character above the Herald limit and can be accomplished once the fight starts or in prep time

Originally posted by TheKahn
That won't be allowed much like any version of the Phoenix Force. Odin Force > herald limit. As we said, any power meshing that clearly puts any character(s) over the herald limit will be banned. Skyfather level power is clearly over the limit.

Originally posted by King Kandy
That's BS then. If the rules are changed they should announce it to everyone.

I still want to know why it's ok for Metamorpho to use his powers on himself but Zoom can't use his on himself? I don't see the diff. Both have powers that are banned for offensive use.

Originally posted by Zeuodin
Beta Ray Bill was Never Skyfather even with Surfer's Amp.

What happened on panel and the inferences and extrapolations that are typically made in tournament debates are two different things. We are going to assume that attempting to simulate neigh-omnipotent power sources would put them over the limit.

Originally posted by TheKahn
😮
The confusion on that issue was my fault. I assumed (always a mistake) that Zoom was ok and acted on that assumption. It was only once several people pointed out the potential problems and allowing him would cause that I realized my mistake. Apologies all around. 🙁

Originally posted by Zeuodin
I still want to know why it's ok for Metamorpho to use his powers on himself but Zoom can't use his on himself? I don't see the diff. Both have powers that are banned for offensive use.

Its two different power sets that we crafted rules against because of different problems that have cropped up in past tournaments. Matter manipulation against opponents are banned to avoid instant-kills and time manipulation is banned because of all the added complexities it brings to both debating and judging.

Originally posted by King Kandy
So is time manip only banned offensively, or is it banned period?

Banned period. Again, I'm sorry for any confusion. 😮

Originally posted by TheKahn
Banned period. Again, I'm sorry for any confusion. 😮

I tell you what. We draft the best matter manipulator in comics.

Jan of Trom

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Element_Lad

Originally posted by Zeuodin
I tell you what. We draft the best matter manipulator in comics.

Jan of Trom

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Element_Lad

Ok, but you do realize that only post-crisis versions/feats are usable in this draft?

Originally posted by TheKahn
Ok, but you do realize that only post-crisis versions/feats are usable in this draft?

Originally posted by Zeuodin
He's better post crisis than he ever was pre-crisis. Especially after he fought Mordru.

Alright, let me double check just to be sure and we'll get confirmation to you as quickly as possible.

Originally posted by TheKahn
Alright, let me double check just to be sure and we'll get confirmation to you as quickly as possible.