Emperor Palpatine vs. Harry Potter

Originally posted by Nemesis X
Just what kind of spell is 'rimjobio maximo'?

Very powerful spell, friend, a VERY powerful spell. Its properties are dependent on the recipient though. In the case of Palpatine, a crusty old man who has a penchant for luring young men to his 'side', it would leave him a quivering mess. Especially since Potter has mastered it while practicing on another crusty old man with a penchant for luring young boys into his 'chamber', the wizard Bumbeldore.

Does leave the caster with the tell-tale sign of a brownish ring around the lips, as if they had played a rusty trombone, with great frevor.

Originally posted by Robtard
Very powerful spell, friend, a VERY powerful spell. Its properties are dependent on the recipient though. In the case of Palpatine, a crusty old man who has a penchant for luring young men to his 'side', it would leave him a quivering mess. Especially since Potter has mastered it while practicing on another crusty old man with a penchant for luring young boys into his 'chamber', the wizard Bumbeldore.

Does leave the caster with the tell-tale sign of a brownish ring around the lips, as if they had played a rusty trombone, with great frevor.

ROFLMAO 😂

OMG!

Rimjobbio maximo= 'IMO, Im RJ: maxi boob' anagram. 😛

I read that as 'rimjobio mexicanus'. 😮

That was what Naseem Hamed was brutally forced into by Marco Antonio Barrera, wasnt it...?

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
The point was just proven in spades, my man. Just like you to ignore it.

One word: Counter.

Civil question; are you cool with how much of a rabid hypocrite you're being right now? I mean, you are literally bitching about things you are known for doing.

I suspect you'll dodge THIS too, just prove my point.

-AC

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Civil question; are you cool with how much of a rabid hypocrite you're being right now? I mean, you are literally bitching about things you are known for doing.

I suspect you'll dodge THIS too, just prove my point.

-AC

Nah, I am asked questions, I answer, the question bearer doesn't like my answer, so I am accused of dodging. Difference.

Here, I'll post it again, MAYBE someone will counter it:

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Fair=Even playing field. Isn't that what the MVF is for? To match two opponents on an even playing field?

Some things need to be addressed here. First, a few statements/questions about the thread itself:

1. Why does Harry have his wand? Did he reacquire it after being captured? Remember, when Luke was captured, they took away his lightsaber.

2. Obviously Palpatine knows all about Harry's powers. It's not like he would try and recruit some random dude off the street.

3. Since Palpatine knows about Harry and his powers, Harry should know all about Palpatine and Palpatine's powers. Even playing field and all.

4. Now, since Harry knows that Palpatine will kill him via force lightning, surely he will be as prepared as he can be for it, yes?

Now, having gotten that out of the way, let me clear some things up:

1. I believe that a Protego shield charm will fully deflect force lightning.

2. Can Harry raise the Protego shield before Palpatine's force lightning reaches him? IMO yes. Look here, at 3:45

YouTube video

Harry cast Protego on Snape, causing Snape's spell to rebound back on Snape. They are 10ish feet from each other, Harry raises his wand, says "Protego", and Snape is spelled. At 3:45, Harry is tossed into the chair by Snape. At 3:46, Harry draws his wand, utters "Protego", and before the timer reaches 3:47, Snape's "Legilimens" spell is turned back on him. It took less than a second for Harry to draw his wand, cast the spell, and have it hit Snape. Harry was caught off guard and reacted on instinct. Now, since Harry knows what's going to happen to him, it's only natural that he will be that much more prepared to defend himself. Think about it....

Palpatine: "Come to the dark side, Harry."

Harry, AFTER casting Protego: " Kiss my ass."

Shield charm already in place, the force lightning can't touch Harry. Hell, for all we know it could even rebound back on Palpatine. This counts on Harry NOT having the shield charm already in place before he even faces Palpatine, which would be the smart thing to do.

Now, having cleared that up, let me add this:

1. Harry, knowing where he is being taken, knowing that Palpatine will try to turn him, and upon Harry's refusal, will kill Harry via force lightning, will surely have a shield charm in effect beforehand.

2. Harry, again, captured and knowing where he will be taken and what will happen, will have a certain time frame between A; Being captured, and B; Being presented before Palpatine.

OK.....Let's say the time frame is ten minutes, five minutes, whatever. Harry will have that much time to Accio anything he wishes and escape his captors. What can he possible Accio to aid in his escape?

Peruvian instant darkness powder. Causes instant darkness. Given to him by the Weasley twins, he can use this to escape his captors.
Or, when Palpy tries to turn him, he can use it to darken the room, disorient Palpatine, then Harry can escape, or more likely cast any spell he wishes on Palpy. His captors will never know what happened. Harry can mutter it under his breath, they'll be like "Huh?" Harry remains silent, waits for the darkness powder, then BOOM, darkens the room, then escapes. Yes, this is entirely feasible.

It's stupid to think Palpatine will go right to the force lightning. He'll do the same as with Luke, attempt to sway Harry. In the middle of his little speech, "Protego!", shield charm goes up, Harry is protected. It would take maybe half a second. And if Palpatine senses this, and decides to force lightning Harry, it'll be too late, his force lightning will be bouncing off the shield charm, or maybe even back at him.

Yes, I know, I am "gimping" here, oh woe to KMC and the MVF for having to put up with me quoting Harry's powers he displayed onscreen. What was I thinking? 🙄 Dunno whay I'm even bothering. Harry is just "A boy with a twig" 🙄 Gotta love that Harry Potter hate.

Anyone? Hmm? Come on now, let's hear some more "Just cuz it's Palpatine" shit.

Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
Aint no dodging...

Just that you 'lost' this debate long ago and youre just '501st vs hogwartsing it' for all your worth.

Quite why, im not sure, Susan.

Besides you dodged the force lighting question. (Unlike Harry)

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Fair=Even playing field. Isn't that what the MVF is for? To match two opponents on an even playing field?

Some things need to be addressed here. First, a few statements/questions about the thread itself:

1. Why does Harry have his wand? Did he reacquire it after being captured? Remember, when Luke was captured, they took away his lightsaber.

Yes, I know, I am "gimping" here, oh woe to KMC and the MVF for having to put up with me quoting Harry's powers he displayed onscreen. What was I thinking? 🙄 Dunno whay I'm even bothering. Harry is just "A boy with a twig" 🙄 Gotta love that Harry Potter hate.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Nah, I am asked questions, I answer, the question bearer doesn't like my answer, so I am accused of dodging. Difference.

Here, I'll post it again, MAYBE someone will counter it:

Anyone? Hmm? Come on now, let's hear some more "Just cuz it's Palpatine" shit.

Even with Harry having his wand ready while Palpatine is trying to convince him to enter his dark-side (which would require Palpatine to be a complete moron and out of character), Potter isn't faster at casting his shielding spell than Palpatine is at unleashing lightning, or slamming him into the nearest solid object, for that matter.

So no, even with your scenario favoured towards Potter, he still loses. I've told you this before(6-7 times now), you just ignore it. Potter = too slow.

Your "Harry will turn the lights out" angle was ridiculously funny, RJ. In case you didn't know, lightning produces light. Not that darkness is going to be a great problem for Palpatine to begin with.

RJ just got One Free Man-handled.

Originally posted by One Free Man
IF we are recreating the throne room scene with luke, harry will have to regain it somehow. I don't see him doing this without getting fried.

Indeed.

Un-indeed. If we are recreating the Throne room scene, harry wouldn't have the slightest. Nobody told luke the old man could fry him.

there is no logic behind saying he will know about the force lightning, and what's he going to do, go down to snape's workshop and learn another spell to protect from lightning? He didn't go to palpatine he was captured, according to the scenario.
I don't see it. He still has to say something, and at this point it's quick-draw. This adds something to his reaction time and lightning is not slow:

Add to his reaction time? Dude, he reached inside his coat, drew his wand, cast the Protego spell, and it his Snape all in under a second, what more do you want? Thats MORE than enough time to cast a shield charm to block Palpys force lightning, why are you ignoring this?

He had a good ten seconds to figure it out, if you watch the video. a 2 second reaction time isn't an acceptable speed when you are dealing with a sith who not only has your wand but will in fact, deep fry you.
let's say harry does get his shield up, and let's say somehow it deflects lightning. after this, what? Palpatine just sits on his ass and cries?

Let me draw your attention to this:
YouTube video
1:51 You don't think this guy can pull out his lightsaber and strike through harry's wand and body? YES, he can.

considering the fact that harry is not going to palpatine to redeem his father, he's not going to palpatine, he's genuinely captured by palpatine. I doubt he even knows where hes going.

But he won't have his wand.

This assumes they meet each other in combat.

Luke, a mere padawan, can deflect blaster bolts with his lightsaber while completely blind, you think the dark lord of the sith will be disoriented when the lights go out?

No, it's not.

it's stupid to assume that Harry's going to know that palpatine will combat him or even interrupt a dramatic monologue for the sake of survival.

c-xgU6NZn3k&feature=related look at little mouse to use telekenesis to outdo him. Sidious has moved huge podiums with his telekenesis. see how much he's interrupting his dark lord's monologue.
Indeed. look in my youtube how he interracts with someone who doesn't have to use words to cast "expaliamu--" boom.

Look, It's the same scenario as Luke in ROTJ. Harry is captured and presented before Palpy. Palpy tries to turn him. Harry says no. Palpy tries to kill him. BUT, as the OP states, Harry has his wand from the get go.

I posted a vid of Harry casting a Protego shield charm in less than a second, Literal PROOF that he can do so. He draws his wand, casts the spell, it takes effect in less than one damn second, MORE than enough time to block Palpy's force lightning. Like I said, Harry will likely cast the shield charm as Palpy is trying to sway him.

Any more of this "Palpy will fry Harry before Harry can twitch a finger!!" is trolling and ignoring onscreen feats, and ignoring PROOF I posted in Harry's favor.

You people want Palpy to win SOOOOOOOOOO bad it's sickening.

Originally posted by Robtard
Even with Harry having his wand ready while Palpatine is trying to convince him to enter his dark-side (which would require Palpatine to be a complete moron and out of character), Potter isn't faster at casting his shielding spell than Palpatine is at unleashing lightning, or slamming him into the nearest solid object, for that matter.

So no, even with your scenario favoured towards Potter, he still loses. I've told you this before(6-7 times now), you just ignore it. Potter = too slow.

Your "Harry will turn the lights out" angle was ridiculously funny, RJ. In case you didn't know, lightning produces light. Not that darkness is going to be a great problem for Palpatine to begin with.

Bullshit, the vid I posted shows Harry can cast Protego in the blink of an eye, but, as usual, your Potter hatred is blinding you.

Ridiculously funny? It's a power he possesses. See, this is the funny part, I quote a valid HP power and it is laughed on or ignored. And I dont recall Palpy fighting in the dark. Speculate all you want, make up whatever Sith power you want, he is never shown fighting an opponent he cannot see.

Originally posted by Quincy
RJ just got One Free Man-handled.

Hey Rob, Palpy is in the middle of his little come to the dark side speech, Harry casts a Protego, then what? And PLEASE dont say Palpy will kill him with force lightning, no way in hell ANY force user is that fast.

Oh my god dude, you write like SUCH a douche it's ridiculous.

Originally posted by Quincy
Oh my god dude, you write like SUCH a douche it's ridiculous.

Hey, I got an idea, instead of hurling insults, prove me wrong?

Yeah, thought not.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Bullshit, the vid I posted shows Harry can cast Protego in the blink of an eye, but, as usual, your Potter hatred is blinding you.

Ridiculously funny? It's a power he possesses. See, this is the funny part, I quote a valid HP power and it is laughed on or ignored. And I dont recall Palpy fighting in the dark. Speculate all you want, make up whatever Sith power you want, he is never shown fighting an opponent he cannot see.

The fact that Potter has to say something and use his wand proves it's not in this "blink of an eye" time-frame you imagine. Palpatine doesn't need to say anything and lightning travels at incredible speeds. His force-telekinesis is just about as fast.

I'm not saying it's funny because Potter doesn't have the darkness spell, just that you think he's going to be able to get that far and that having the lights turned out is somehow going to turn Palpatine into a feeble bastard. Lightning produces light; lots of it, he merely needs to keep it going to see.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi

Hey Rob, Palpy is in the middle of his little come to the dark side speech, Harry casts a Protego, then what? And PLEASE dont say Palpy will kill him with force lightning, no way in hell ANY force user is that fast.

Two reasons why that post sucks shit covered balls:

1) The fights starts after Potter refuses; after Palpatine is done talking, as per the OP. You have trouble sticking to the rules.

2) Palpatine has Force-precognition, so Potter will babble out "Prot...", maybe, then he's fried. If your cheery-picked scenario were to be allowed.

Originally posted by Robtard
Two reasons why that post sucks shit covered balls:

1) The fights starts after Potter refuses; after Palpatine is done talking, as per the OP. You have trouble sticking to the rules.

2) Palpatine has Force-precognition, so Potter will babble out "Prot...", maybe, then he's fried. If your cheery-picked scenario were to be allowed.

K, so the shield charm is in effect before Palpy is done talking. Sith babble, Harry says Protego, the shield is in place. Next?

No way in hell does Palpy realize Harrys intent, raise his hands and produce force lightning faster than Harry raises the Protego in the vid. Here's a little exercise:

Grab a pencil. Hold it at your side. Raise it as fast as you can while saying Protego. I just did it, it took MAYBE a 1/4 second.

Originally posted by Robtard
The fact that Potter has to say something and use his wand proves it's not in this "blink of an eye" time-frame you imagine. Palpatine doesn't need to say anything and lightning travels at incredible speeds. His force-telekinesis is just about as fast.

I'm not saying it's funny because Potter doesn't have the darkness spell, just that you think he's going to be able to get that far and that having the lights turned out is somehow going to turn Palpatine into a feeble bastard. Lightning produces light; lots of it, he merely needs to keep it going to see.

Yeah, keep the lightning going, making himself a target, then he is spelled.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
So Harry cant be proactive? He's forced to be reactive?

K, so the shield charm is in effect before Palpy is done talking. Sith babble, Harry says Protego, the shield is in place. Next?

No way in hell does Palpy realize Harrys intent, raise his hands and produce force lightning faster than Harry raises the Protego in the vid. Here's a little exercise:

Grab a pencil. Hold it at your side. Raise it as fast as you can while saying Protego. I just did it, it took MAYBE a 1/4 second.

The vid I posted proves the "blink of an eye" theory, it's right there in the vid. But hey, keep ignoring it, we both know it's there. Doesn't matter how fast his lightning travels, Harry can cast the Protego in time to block it, the vid PROVES that fact.

Yeah, keep the lightning going, making himself a target, then he is spelled.

So again, you're giving Potter prep, he now has an active spell before the fight starts, nice. You realize that any outcome can be had when you start dictating scenarios and gimping. Lazy Smurf could beat Superman, by your rules. Laughable tactics, RJ, laughable.

As far as your test, you know whats faster than raising a pencil and babbling out a word, just slighty raising your hand and having lightning blast out of it.

No, Palpatine only need to keep it going to glimpse Potter in the dark, then Force-slam-head-into-wall would ensue and Potter's head would bleed, profusely. Again, this is going by your gimped scenario where Potter would last more than a second into the fight.

Anyone forgetting that Palpatine moved quick enough to slash down a mind-reader before he was even able to tell what was happening?

But yeah, no, Potter knows.