Draft Round 3: Batdude123 and TheKahn's Holiday Herald Tournament

Originally posted by darthgoober
Nah, even a mod can't save Supes from Surfer 😛 .

What feats? Seriously, the respect threads only 5 pages long and I've looked at it in quite a bit of detail without seeing anything worth barring him over. And as for "potential" vs "performance"... let's not forget that you drafted Martian Manhunter 😉 .

you'd be surprised. 😉

ooooh. i'll give you that one. well played.

you didn't find his physical domination of superman, as well as his other matter manipulation feats to be in any way indicative of him being > herald?

maybe we just have different ideas of what constitutes > high herald?

Originally posted by -Pr-
you'd be surprised. 😉

ooooh. i'll give you that one. well played.

you didn't find his physical domination of superman, as well as his other matter manipulation feats to be in any way indicative of him being > herald?

maybe we just have different ideas of what constitutes > high herald?

Physically dominating Supes is definitely an impressive feat just as it was when Doomsday did it, but like DD it doesn't put them outside the bounds of the herald division. His matter manipulation is definitely impressive overall, but think about all the other characters and open ended powersets involved in this thing. The Fortress mode needed a powerup or something to transform the Earth into Krypton right(I'm pretty sure your scans said something about that)? Well Surfer was transforming an entire planet WITHOUT any outside power source. He likely wasn't even drawing on cosmic energy because he was trying to intentionally drain his power reserves permanently. Now those are obviously different feats to those who are familiar with them, but I think it still does a good job of demonstrating that Fortress's abilities aren't really beyond the bounds of what's already been accepted.

Originally posted by darthgoober
Physically dominating Supes is definitely an impressive feat just as it was when Doomsday did it, but like DD it doesn't put them outside the bounds of the herald division. His matter manipulation is definitely impressive overall, but think about all the other characters and open ended powersets involved in this thing. The Fortress mode needed a powerup or something to transform the Earth into Krypton right(I'm pretty sure your scans said something about that)? Well Surfer was transforming an entire planet WITHOUT any outside power source. He likely wasn't even drawing on cosmic energy because he was trying to intentionally drain his power reserves permanently. Now those are obviously different feats to those who are familiar with them, but I think it still does a good job of demonstrating that Fortress's abilities aren't really beyond the bounds of what's already been accepted.

and that's where we disagree, as i don't see it the same you do lol...

I am officially against Fortress Mode Erads.

Originally posted by Kris Blaze
I am officially against Fortress Mode Erads.

Originally posted by darthgoober
Do you have a specific reasoning for it?

Originally posted by Kris Blaze
Too powerful.

Originally posted by darthgoober
As indicated by...

Originally posted by Kris Blaze
I will and have given my reasoning to Batdude. Not getting into a battlezone with you here regarding Eradicator's power level.

Let it be said, I have no official position on Eradicator at all. However i'm a bit disturbed by how much fire Eradicator has come under, without anyone posting a shred of evidence that he's over the top. It's the same thing, pretty much, that i've had to deal with with genis for most of the tourney. If you're claiming a character is too strong, you should at least have something you can post to back it up.

Originally posted by King Kandy
Let it be said, I have no official position on Eradicator at all. However i'm a bit disturbed by how much fire Eradicator has come under, without anyone posting a shred of evidence that he's over the top. It's the same thing, pretty much, that i've had to deal with with genis for most of the tourney. If you're claiming a character is too strong, you should at least have something you can post to back it up.

i did post. i posted scans and links to his respect thread.

I read his respect thread. Darth read his respect thread. Any specific complaints?

Originally posted by darthgoober
We don't have to have a major debate, but you should at least be willing to give me the opportunity to see what arguements you're making so I can counter them to bats...

Originally posted by King Kandy
I read his respect thread. Darth read his respect thread. Any specific complaints?

i think there's just a major difference in what i perceive to be above high herald and what you guys do.

Originally posted by Kris Blaze
Initially it was part of the matter manipulation, but it looks like the tourney will restrict most aspects of that. Other than that it is how easily he has beaten Superman, several times. In Fortress mode he had an even easier time doing so...

Originally posted by -Pr-
i think there's just a major difference in what i perceive to be above high herald and what you guys do.

Originally posted by darthgoober
The one time in the respect thread that I saw him actually thrash Supes it was against the Pre-DOS version.

Well what do you consider the limits of high herald to be? Can you think of a single feat of his that someone else in this tourney can't match? If so, what?

a single feat? no. it's the combination that's the problem for me, as i already said.

where the hell are kahn and batdude? they need to sort this 🙁

Originally posted by -Pr-
a single feat? no. it's the combination that's the problem for me, as i already said.

where the hell are kahn and batdude? they need to sort this 🙁

Originally posted by darthgoober
Wait so you think he should be banned because he has more High Herald level feats than are appropriate for this thing? As long as the feats are all high herald level then so is he...

no 😂

If there was a character who on panel replicated every single feat by every character listed in the Herald tiers of the tiers thread, he wouldn't be performing > high herald feats, but I still would have my objections to someone drafting him in this tournament.

Just my thoughts...

Definitley against Fortress Eradicator.