Originally posted by -K-M-
He summoned that wind that sent the JLA flying. Orion doesn't have any external attacks like that. In an interview he apparently was tapping into more of his godhood, but then another interview said it was the Source upgrade (which I doubt it was)1. http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii315/darkseidres2/Countdown2p11.jpg
2. http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii315/darkseidres2/Countdown2p12.jpg
Do you have pics of him swatting the JLA away? BTW, Orion is also able to tap into the Source. Makes him more powerful.
Eh, never mind. It's hard to see them. They're so tiny.
BTW, KM, Orion has shown attacks like that before. Controlling weather and magnatisim.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Overall I liked death of the new gods and the Orion clash with Seid.
As did I more then Countdown, DC definetly dropped the ball and struggled to keep the story coherent between all the different stories
Originally posted by Prep-Man
Do you have pics of him swatting the JLA away? BTW, Orion is also able to tap into the Source. Makes him more powerful.Eh, never mind. It's hard to see them. They're so tiny.
BTW, KM, Orion has shown attacks like that before. Controlling weather and magnatisim.
Not to that limit and generally with the motherbox or astro harness. He did that on his own power
Originally posted by -K-M-I agree it was a mess. It kinda screwed over starlin and left him little options in ho whe could end the story.
As did I more then Countdown, DC definetly dropped the ball and struggled to keep the story coherent between all the different storiesNot to that limit and generally with the motherbox or astro harness. He did that on his own power
Originally posted by -K-M-They need to get their heads on straight. they had two major storylines intercede each other and then started a third without any kind of communication writer to writer.
Yeah and now apparently DOTNG is retconned to some extent now.
How many writers handled countdown anyways? That's one of the problems.
Originally posted by quanchi112
They need to get their heads on straight. they had two major storylines intercede each other and then started a third without any kind of communication writer to writer.How many writers handled countdown anyways? That's one of the problems.
Originally posted by -K-M-
As did I more then Countdown, DC definetly dropped the ball and struggled to keep the story coherent between all the different storiesNot to that limit and generally with the motherbox or astro harness. He did that on his own power
In Pollack's Or Evenier? run, he DID do it on his own. Tapping into the Source or Source of the Beast. The only downside to it was that he was more of a beast like Warrior Madness Thor.
Also, Orion doesn't need the Astro Harness to manipulate the Astro Force. He has shown to use it without. It's his power to wield.
Originally posted by Omega Vision
Didn't Grant Morrison officially request that other writers refrain from using New Gods at all while he prepared FC? Once again it seems Morrison was ignored. 😂
He did
Originally posted by quanchi112
They need to get their heads on straight. they had two major storylines intercede each other and then started a third without any kind of communication writer to writer.How many writers handled countdown anyways? That's one of the problems.
Yeah that was a huge problem, and then Final Crisis had Mandrak appear for half a comic that really didn't need to be in there.
Paul Dini, Jimmy Palmiotti, Sean McKeever, Tony Bedard, Adam Beechen, Justin Gray and perhaps more.
Originally posted by Prep-Man
In Pollack's Or Evenier? run, he DID do it on his own. Tapping into the Source or Source of the Beast. The only downside to it was that he was more of a beast like Warrior Madness Thor.Also, Orion doesn't need the Astro Harness to manipulate the Astro Force. He has shown to use it without. It's his power to wield.
Yeah that's what Im saying he tapped into more of his godhood. As that is something normal Orion doesn't do.
The astro harness helps him control and "harness" it better then he can usually do on his own.
Originally posted by -K-M-
He didYeah that was a huge problem, and then Final Crisis had Mandrak appear for half a comic that really didn't need to be in there.
Paul Dini, Jimmy Palmiotti, Sean McKeever, Tony Bedard, Adam Beechen, Justin Gray and perhaps more.
Yeah that's what Im saying he tapped into more of his godhood. As that is something normal Orion doesn't do.
The astro harness helps him control and "harness" it better then he can usually do on his own.
In that run, he did do it to defeat Darkseid, so it's nothing new. My point is that it's under his OWN power. So, it's regular Orion, not amped. In a way.
As for the Astro Harness, he doesn't need that to control the AF. He's done it on a few occasions without it and done well.
Originally posted by Prep-Man
In that run, he did do it to defeat Darkseid, so it's nothing new. My point is that it's under his OWN power. So, it's regular Orion, not amped. In a way.As for the Astro Harness, he doesn't need that to control the AF. He's done it on a few occasions without it and done well.
Originally posted by Prep-Man
In that run, he did do it to defeat Darkseid, so it's nothing new. My point is that it's under his OWN power. So, it's regular Orion, not amped. In a way.As for the Astro Harness, he doesn't need that to control the AF. He's done it on a few occasions without it and done well.
wait which Darkseid battle are you talking about? Except he doesn't normally tap into that power
Once again again not as well WITH the harness
Originally posted by -K-M-
wait which Darkseid battle are you talking about? Except he doesn't normally tap into that powerOnce again again not as well WITH the harness
Pollock's run, IIRC. Where he jumped inside his body and killed him. Haven't read it in a while, but he was tapping into the Source or something. Which is why some people refer to him as Source of the Beast.
And how are you measuring how well he does without the Astro Harness? In Simonson's run, he was trapped in the Binding Bess and used the Astro Force to get out. Used it to easily block Darkseid's beams and used it to bring back his harness when he was drained of his energies for MONTHS.
Originally posted by Prep-Man
Pollock's run, IIRC. Where he jumped inside his body and killed him. Haven't read it in a while, but he was tapping into the Source or something. Which is why some people refer to him as Source of the Beast.And how are you measuring how well he does without the Astro Harness? In Simonson's run, he was trapped in the Binding Bess and used the Astro Force to get out. Used it to easily block Darkseid's beams and used it to bring back his harness when he was drained of his energies for MONTHS.
Darkseid actually let Orion win that battle. They were also IN the Source too, that's kind of how they were manipulating it. Orion prior to Countdown never defeated Darkseid on his own.
1. http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/NewGodsv3_08-20.jpg
2. http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/NewGodsv3_08-21.jpg
When did he block his beams? If its the instance Im thinking of DS wanted that to happen.
Originally posted by -K-M-
Darkseid actually let Orion win that battle. Orion prior to Countdown never defeated Darkseid on his own. They were also IN the Source too
1. http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/NewGodsv3_08-20.jpg
2. http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/NewGodsv3_08-21.jpgWhen did he block his beams? If its the instance Im thinking of DS wanted that to happen.
Yes, but tapping into his inner power or godhood makes him stronger as was shown in the run. Simonson also had a similar story that didn't see print. He wanted Orion to tap into his inner godhood or whatever.
And DS plan was for the OB to come back to him, but my point is that Orion created a force field to block it. Via Astro Force. I posted the picks earlier. Orion 5 when they fought.
Originally posted by Prep-Man
Yes, but tapping into his inner power or godhood makes him stronger as was shown in the run. Simonson also had a similar story that didn't see print. He wanted Orion to tap into his inner godhood or whatever.And DS plan was for the OB to come back to him, but my point is that Orion created a force field to block it. Via Astro Force. I posted the picks earlier. Orion 5 when they fought.
Which is not a common occurance and that's a fact. Didn't see print does not make it canon.
Orion #5 was a fight DS intentially threw, and whos to say DS didn't cause it to back on him which is more likely then not. Also Lightray was mentioned to augmented his armor.
Originally posted by -K-M-
Which is not a common occurance and that's a fact. Didn't see print does not make it canon.Orion #5 was a fight DS intentially threw, and whos to say DS didn't cause it to back on him which is more likely then not. Also Lightray was mentioned to augmented his armor.
Yes, BUT Orion has tapped into his godhood and can do so at anytime. I'm not saying he does it all the time, it's that he has. And from the looks of Countdown, he did so again.
And I'm not debating the Orion vs DS fight, actually Simsonson mentioned that Orion had the edge PHYSICALLY many times on the NG message board. And he did mention that Orion doesn't NEED the Astro Harness as was shown in his run many times.
Originally posted by Prep-Man
Yes, BUT Orion has tapped into his godhood and can do so at anytime. I'm not saying he does it all the time, it's that he has. And from the looks of Countdown, he did so again.And I'm not debating the Orion vs DS fight, actually Simsonson mentioned that Orion had the edge PHYSICALLY many times on the NG message board. And he did mention that Orion doesn't NEED the Astro Harness as was shown in his run many times.
Not really as he has done it like 1-2 times in his entire career.
Once again the Astro harness as even said countless times gives Orion far better control and power then without 😬
Originally posted by -K-M-
Not really as he has done it like 1-2 times in his entire career.Once again the Astro harness as even said countless times gives Orion far better control and power then without 😬
I know he's only done it 1-2 times! I'm not debating that he's done it more or less. My point is that he CAN. And HAS. Without any help, IIRC.
And it was also stated that Orion CAN wield the AF by himself, providing he has the experience. Seeing as Simonson's run was his last run, it looks like he has gained much of that experience.
